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| jackosub | Posted: 2004-08-25 23:07 | |
Forum Maniac United Kingdom 3,369 Posts | So if what happened 30 years ago is important then the US Commander in Chief is a drug addicted alcoholic. So tell me again who isn't FIT TO COMMAND? | |
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| ahto44 | Posted: 2004-08-25 23:08 | |
| Forum Apprentice United States 281 Posts | He volunteered for combat??? http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2004_08_01_archive.html#109167970892274992 Play Safe (and sometimes reality bites) This is one of those cases in which the imagination is baffled by the facts. | |
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| ceanthia | Posted: 2004-08-25 23:14 | |
Forum Maniac United States 7,892 Posts | Yes, the truth is starting to come out. Kerry should have kept his mouth about Nam shut and ran on his Senate record...oh wait, he CAN'T run on his Senate records..... ahto44: He volunteered for combat??? http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2004_08_01_archive.html#109167970892274992 Play Safe (and sometimes reality bites) This is one of those cases in which the imagination is baffled by the facts. -- Ceanthia | |
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| ahto44 | Posted: 2004-08-25 23:20 | |
| Forum Apprentice United States 281 Posts | jackosub: So if what happened 30 years ago is important then the US Commander in Chief is a drug addicted alcoholic. So tell me again who isn't FIT TO COMMAND? People can change, if they truly want to do so. I can respect Bush because he's in recovery. I'm a recovering alcoholic with more than a few years of sobriety, so I know what it's like. You have to "shake hands with every skeleton in your closet" or you'll never make it. I'm also a vet. With the way Kerry started his whole "vote for me, I'm a 'Nam vet" campaign, it doesn't seem like he's been able to reconcile it in his own head - or even get his memories straight. He brought it up, now he has to deal with it. Play Safe (and don't bring up the past if you can't face all of it) "Every decision has consequences." | |
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| ceanthia | Posted: 2004-08-25 23:24 | |
Forum Maniac United States 7,892 Posts | I respect anyone that can face their demons and admit they have a problem. Being in recover is not easy. ahto44: jackosub: So if what happened 30 years ago is important then the US Commander in Chief is a drug addicted alcoholic. So tell me again who isn't FIT TO COMMAND? People can change, if they truly want to do so. I can respect Bush because he's in recovery. I'm a recovering alcoholic with more than a few years of sobriety, so I know what it's like. You have to "shake hands with every skeleton in your closet" or you'll never make it. I'm also a vet. With the way Kerry started his whole "vote for me, I'm a 'Nam vet" campaign, it doesn't seem like he's been able to reconcile it in his own head - or even get his memories straight. He brought it up, now he has to deal with it. Play Safe (and don't bring up the past if you can't face all of it) "Every decision has consequences." -- Ceanthia | |
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| SmokeyLady | Posted: 2004-08-25 23:32 | |
Sadistic Bitch United States 14,002 Posts | Well what do you expect from someone who's entire platform consists of "i ain't Bush" and plans to sell the US and all its people out to the UN and anyone else outside the US who has enough money? He has no stand. He stands for nothing. His only claim to fame is some "medals" he most probably should never had recieved. He never mentions his "senate" duties and what IF anything he has done there. He will not release his medical records to lie claim about his so-called war wounds but demands Bush to give over every shred of paper he so wishes. So why in the world would anyone expect anything more from John "i ain't Bush" Kerry? The man, if he does by accident win the election for president of the US, will ruin the US and laugh all the way to the bank. | |
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| ceanthia | Posted: 2004-08-26 02:08 | |
Forum Maniac United States 7,892 Posts | If by some fluke he won the election it would be the saddest and most traggic day in US History. I would just pray we could recover from it. SmokeyLady: Well what do you expect from someone who's entire platform consists of "i ain't Bush" and plans to sell the US and all its people out to the UN and anyone else outside the US who has enough money? He has no stand. He stands for nothing. His only claim to fame is some "medals" he most probably should never had recieved. He never mentions his "senate" duties and what IF anything he has done there. He will not release his medical records to lie claim about his so-called war wounds but demands Bush to give over every shred of paper he so wishes. So why in the world would anyone expect anything more from John "i ain't Bush" Kerry? The man, if he does by accident win the election for president of the US, will ruin the US and laugh all the way to the bank. -- Ceanthia | |
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| Amadeus | Posted: 2004-08-26 05:50 | |
Simply Nefarious  United States 4,875 Posts | DominantnLA: He wants to hand over the U.S. to the U.N,. and subjecate military personnel to the I.C.C. That alone should alarm any U.S. American. You know, the US mission to the UN fought hard to ensure that U.S. Peacekeepers were exempt from the ICC's jurisdiction... ...and it was successful up until the Abu Gharib scandal and the questionable tactics of housing enemy combatants at guantanamo without due process in violation of the geneva conventions. Now we have no chance at winning any exemption, so don't tell me that Kerry would subject military personnel to the ICC when Bush pissed away any goodwill that would have exempted our soldiers.
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| Amadeus | Posted: 2004-08-26 05:56 | |
Simply Nefarious United States 4,875 Posts | You guys are back to blogs to prove your point and make your case? It's sad, really. | |
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| White_Hat | Posted: 2004-08-26 16:45 | |
Forum Maniac United States 2,283 Posts | ceanthia: If by some fluke he won the election it would be the saddest and most traggic day in US History. I would just pray we could recover from it. SmokeyLady: Well what do you expect from someone who's entire platform consists of "i ain't Bush" and plans to sell the US and all its people out to the UN and anyone else outside the US who has enough money? He has no stand. He stands for nothing. His only claim to fame is some "medals" he most probably should never had recieved. He never mentions his "senate" duties and what IF anything he has done there. He will not release his medical records to lie claim about his so-called war wounds but demands Bush to give over every shred of paper he so wishes. So why in the world would anyone expect anything more from John "i ain't Bush" Kerry? The man, if he does by accident win the election for president of the US, will ruin the US and laugh all the way to the bank. -- Ceanthia LOL, the U.S. has survived far worse than Bush or Kerry, ceanthia. Let's not elect Bush this year either. | |
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| DominantnLA | Posted: 2004-08-26 17:24 | |
Forum Maniac Czech Republic 2,068 Posts | I have read what Kerry has to say in regards to this. You do know that Clinton signed us to be participants to the I.C.C. right before he left office right? This was done without debate or dissent as the Congress was on one of their Holidays. Kerry did not contest it. Bush pulled the U.S. out of it. <The only good thing Bush has done IMO> As for the U.N. I have read Kerry's stance on it before the Prison Scandal and Guantanamo Bay. Amadeus: DominantnLA: He wants to hand over the U.S. to the U.N,. and subjecate military personnel to the I.C.C. That alone should alarm any U.S. American. You know, the US mission to the UN fought hard to ensure that U.S. Peacekeepers were exempt from the ICC's jurisdiction... ...and it was successful up until the Abu Gharib scandal and the questionable tactics of housing enemy combatants at guantanamo without due process in violation of the geneva conventions. Now we have no chance at winning any exemption, so don't tell me that Kerry would subject military personnel to the ICC when Bush pissed away any goodwill that would have exempted our soldiers. | |
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| Amadeus | Posted: 2004-08-26 19:39 | |
Simply Nefarious United States 4,875 Posts | DominantnLA: I have read what Kerry has to say in regards to this. You do know that Clinton signed us to be participants to the I.C.C. right before he left office right? This was done without debate or dissent as the Congress was on one of their Holidays. Kerry did not contest it. Bush pulled the U.S. out of it. <The only good thing Bush has done IMO> As for the U.N. I have read Kerry's stance on it before the Prison Scandal and Guantanamo Bay. http://www.icc-cpi.int/ataglance.html So, what is wrong with participating in the ICC which prosecutes war genocide and crimes against humanity only when a state can not or will not do it themselves? Are you right wingers planning something that we all don't know about or do I just need to hand you your tinfoil hat?
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| DominantnLA | Posted: 2004-08-26 19:47 | |
Forum Maniac Czech Republic 2,068 Posts | If someone disagrees with you, you call them a "Right Winger?" That is funny since I voted for Gore the last election. Does me calling you a "Left Winger" bring the debate to a sensible level in your opinion? I don't. Does the fact that the A.C.L.U. defend for free child moletsters mean all Democrats are for Child Molestation? Of course Not. To your topic. The U.S. has in place the U.C.M.J. The Manual of Courts Martial is explicit in how to deal with War Crimes committed by military members. If the U.S. were not in the unique position of being a "Superpower" now, I could see the benefit of it. As of today, I see no purpose to it, except to lose some of our sovereignty. I think it is time for you to put away your tin foil hat. Amadeus: DominantnLA: I have read what Kerry has to say in regards to this. You do know that Clinton signed us to be participants to the I.C.C. right before he left office right? This was done without debate or dissent as the Congress was on one of their Holidays. Kerry did not contest it. Bush pulled the U.S. out of it. <The only good thing Bush has done IMO> As for the U.N. I have read Kerry's stance on it before the Prison Scandal and Guantanamo Bay. http://www.icc-cpi.int/ataglance.html So, what is wrong with participating in the ICC which prosecutes war genocide and crimes against humanity only when a state can not or will not do it themselves? Are you right wingers planning something that we all don't know about or do I just need to hand you your tinfoil hat? | |
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| Kyolicious | Posted: 2004-08-26 19:52 | |
| Forum Regular United States 693 Posts | I'd like to point out that Bush can't really run on his record either. That's why he's running on the "I ain't Kerry" platform. Or maybe more specifically the "let's smear Kerry because he won't fight dirty back" platform. Remind me to laugh at you all if Kerry wins. Because your little "oh he went up in the polls!" means nothing when there's a 2% margin of error and he leads 49-47. And by "fluke" I assume you mean ... the non-felons get to vote and the machines aren't hacked, right? Damn flukes! | |
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| Greyone | Posted: 2004-08-26 19:53 | |
Forum Maniac United States 2,127 Posts | What's also interesting is everyone acuses Bush of trying to dodge Viet Nam by joining the ANG. Flying a plane that killed pilots every year. In a unit that was rotating people to Viet Nam daily. Kerry, however, volunteered for the Navy. I'm curious. What percentage of Navel officers faced combat? What about Air Force officers? How many Navel personel spent time as a POW. Air Force officers? <smile> Who went for the safe post??? Others: "I take the road less traveled!" | |
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