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Bebe1Posted: 2008-06-09 14:33
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Watersport can be played many ways. There are times when I've had a punishing stream in my face, other times when it was just for his pleasure to watch, other times as part of my desire for all of him that he'd give me.

When I've switched my msub would take what I gave him and it was good! To stand over him and just piss on his face, into his mouth, over his chest just made him more Mine. He was a good boy.

Play a little. You'll get there.

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BrokenChaosPosted: 2008-06-09 14:52
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To each there own. Me myself and I? I couldn't do it... However I was with somone for a good few years and did things I never DREAMED possible, so hey, in time maybe you could to? Try it once, see how it goes and let time work its magic. If your Dom wants to be on the rec. end, then its not being a sub at all. Its a Dom's choice to be on either end, so there's my two cents.

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NINacidePosted: 2008-06-09 14:58
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would you consider trying to be a switch for this type of scene, tell him that that's the only way it makes sense to you and if he'd consider switching too? If you percieve watersports as strictly a top humiliating a bottom, then that's the only solution that makes sense to me.
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kottiPosted: 2008-06-09 16:18
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dinner:
but mostly i'm afraid that it would ruin the D/s dynamic in my mind.

i'm sort of on the fence on this one. i understand what others have been saying, if it's His wish don't question yaddy, yaddy. but i also understand, from experience, the shift in dynamics. it's not something planned and it can/does happen. it's pretty much impossible to get the original dynamic back once shifted.

i suggest talking with Him about your fears/worries. have Him talk with you about His wants. you may find He has a very Domly reason for His wish that won't rock the dynamic. you may find He's "more" (or less) than you bargained for.

good luck and enjoy your journey
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paris_subPosted: 2008-06-09 18:56
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Perhaps you should question your submission rather than his dominance.

i realize we pick up preconceived notions about what is and isn't dominant or submissive,
but open minded people try to decide for themselves
as opposed to letting someone else's rules guide them.

Have you committed to being the submissive?
Or did you tell him you would only do the things you feel comfortable with
or those activities you deem submissive?
It's not something you can pick and choose.
It's not up to you to tell him that what he wishes you to do to him isn't "dominant enough".
It's up to you to obey. Period.
Unless it's something that is really harmful or a limit as agreed upon.

If we only acquiesced when it pleased us, where would be the test of submission?
i can tell you that the times when i did something that felt difficult
are the times i grew and learned and felt truly submitted.

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arayofsunshinePosted: 2008-06-09 20:31
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So I'm with a guy who has absolutely no desire to switch. He tried it but it didn't do a thing for him. He's been doing the dominant dance for many years. Half the time I don't know if I'm peeing or squirting or whatever. Under him, on him, etc. He gets off on me doing it. Cause he told me. He gets off on me doing it, cause I'm so excited I just have to. He gets off on me making a mess and making me lie in it. He gets off on so many things about this which are about his dominant side of the dance getting what he wants when he wants. YEah, and sometimes that's on him, and he ribs me about the mess. He taunts me.

Has never crossed my mind that it's cause he wants to be submissive, that he's gonna turn the tables etc.

This can be done so many ways. Unfortunately many are so stuck in their rigid sense of roles that there isn't room to contemplate that others dance to their own unique, freaky, kinky, fetishy rhythm.

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Seeing the goodness in someone does not imply ignoring their difficult qualities or unskilled actions. Rather, we can fully acknowledge these difficulties, while at the same time we choose to focus on the positive. If we focus on the negative we will naturally feel anger, resentment, or disappointment. If we focus on the positive, we will forge connection to the person. Sharon Salzberg
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BondageDesiresPosted: 2008-06-09 20:52
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forget about humiliating, what about the smell? ewww
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LeadfromfrontPosted: 2008-06-09 20:56
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It is ALL about the surrender to my lead.

Yummy girl.


arayofsunshine:
So I'm with a guy who has absolutely no desire to switch. He tried it but it didn't do a thing for him. He's been doing the dominant dance for many years. Half the time I don't know if I'm peeing or squirting or whatever. Under him, on him, etc. He gets off on me doing it. Cause he told me. He gets off on me doing it, cause I'm so excited I just have to. He gets off on me making a mess and making me lie in it. He gets off on so many things about this which are about his dominant side of the dance getting what he wants when he wants. YEah, and sometimes that's on him, and he ribs me about the mess. He taunts me.

Has never crossed my mind that it's cause he wants to be submissive, that he's gonna turn the tables etc.

This can be done so many ways. Unfortunately many are so stuck in their rigid sense of roles that there isn't room to contemplate that others dance to their own unique, freaky, kinky, fetishy rhythm.

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Seeing the goodness in someone does not imply ignoring their difficult qualities or unskilled actions. Rather, we can fully acknowledge these difficulties, while at the same time we choose to focus on the positive. If we focus on the negative we will naturally feel anger, resentment, or disappointment. If we focus on the positive, we will forge connection to the person. Sharon Salzberg



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kitten_grrlPosted: 2008-06-09 23:14
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you are suffering from anxiety concerning normal bodily functions. your dom has zeroed in on this as your particular area that needs improvement. you need to be pushed - opened wide. you positively require it. that is the point, after all. the point is not whether you give or receive. the point is to follow orders, dinner. think of all the rewards you get when you are able to accomplish this?
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merrymischiefPosted: 2008-06-10 00:10
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I'm with vorpal_bunny on this one. Best of luck...

-merry


vorpal_bunny:

but mostly i'm afraid that it would ruin the D/s dynamic in my mind

If you can't control your mind he will never be able to and you won't have a D/s dynamic anyway.
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CinderBurningPosted: 2008-06-10 00:12
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I stay away from watersports, despite being a Domme and having had countless submissives beg to be peed on. I just don't want to do it.

Since this is one of those things highlighted in the "Domme handbook", I have gone back and forth with Myself, wondering why I can't do it. I don't normally have an aversion to bodily functions, I am not disgusted by urine, sometimes when I keep My pet in long time bondage I help him out with everything, including aiming when he pees - it's not about disgust with what comes out of a person's body.

It's all about control and humiliation. I would feel very humiliated if I was ordered to pee in front of another human being. Not just to share a bathroom, mind you, peeing in a communal latrine while camping? No problem. But to do so deliberately, for somebody else's sexual pleasure? NO WAY. Not even if the person was tied down and blindfolded and gagged and whimpering - I'd be too humiliated.

So no, I don't think having somebody else control how, when and where you pee is particularly Dominant. I consider that an extremely submissive situation. If your Dom is anywhere near My headspace on this, he gets off on your disgust, even your performance anxiety. He knows He's pushing one of your limits, and I bet it gives Him a real, nice little kick to do so.

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Nikki_KantakaPosted: 2008-06-10 01:54
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kotti:

dinner:
but mostly i'm afraid that it would ruin the D/s dynamic in my mind.

i'm sort of on the fence on this one. i understand what others have been saying, if it's His wish don't question yaddy, yaddy. but i also understand, from experience, the shift in dynamics. it's not something planned and it can/does happen. it's pretty much impossible to get the original dynamic back once shifted.


In my opinion, if the OP can successfully adjust the way she thinks about this activity there will be no shift in dynamic. In fact, the existing dynamic will remain very firmly in place.

It's persisting in thinking that this in some way makes him submissive that will change the dynamic. It needs to become "just another activity" that he wishes to engage in. Him ordering her to do this is really no different from him ordering her to suck his cock. Is it?

If the OP thinks it is different getting to the bottom of why she feels that way may be helpful in getting past this.

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kottiPosted: 2008-06-10 20:00
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kotti:

dinner:
but mostly i'm afraid that it would ruin the D/s dynamic in my mind.

i'm sort of on the fence on this one. i understand what others have been saying, if it's His wish don't question yaddy, yaddy. but i also understand, from experience, the shift in dynamics. it's not something planned and it can/does happen. it's pretty much impossible to get the original dynamic back once shifted.


In my opinion, if the OP can successfully adjust the way she thinks about this activity there will be no shift in dynamic. In fact, the existing dynamic will remain very firmly in place.

It's persisting in thinking that this in some way makes him submissive that will change the dynamic. It needs to become "just another activity" that he wishes to engage in. Him ordering her to do this is really no different from him ordering her to suck his cock. Is it?

If the OP thinks it is different getting to the bottom of why she feels that way may be helpful in getting past this.


i agree, if the act is done in a submissive frame of mind then there's no shift in the dynamic from the submissive. however, there are some reactions that CAN cause the shift, from my experience. when the submissive doing an act out of submission finds they are in control of the situation, the dynamic can/does shift.

for example, if He has ordered her to suck His cock, and she does so, and he starts to plead and beg for Her to do other things while She's sucking his cock...the dynamic can shift regardless of her wishes/fears/mindset/etc.

i'm not saying it will happen, or that it won't. and it's hard to describe the shift to those who have never experienced it.

i said i understood her fear of the shift in dynamics and suggested communication as an answer, not that she should question her submission or His dominance.
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