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Snow_Posted: 2008-06-23 13:59
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I would definitely work on better and more open communication. If you need this kind of thing to be sexually satisfied, then tell him just that. See if he will work with you, because I can personally tell you how frustrating it will get trying to trick him into doing things that he wouldn't normally do, not to mention pushing boundaries that he wouldnt normally touch.
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writealot_99Posted: 2008-06-23 14:01
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I don't like disengenous women but can understand how things can be at times. At the same time, to quote the line from "Night Moves" by Bob Seger:

"I used her she used me
but neither one cared
We were getting our share..."

I've been manipulated before, and I'd be a fool if I said I won't be manipulated again. Sometimes lies or manipulations are preludes to being able to be honest - and especially for people with a lot of walls, and especially for people with a lot of walls who are masochists.

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Edited by - writealot_99 on 2008-06-23 14:04:00

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Snow_Posted: 2008-06-23 14:03
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limper:

Magic words to me have always been (pleading eyes) "Please fuck me til I hurt"


lol I love it.. and have definitely said something similar once or twice.

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DomAssPosted: 2008-06-23 14:05
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fire6brand & sugarannespice


You two report to my office immediately for further instructions.

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pussy-a-go-go2Posted: 2008-06-23 14:36
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its only wrong if he notices
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hellagoodPosted: 2008-06-23 14:41
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your respect for his decision is falling short of your wants, so you're (subtilely) manipulating him... and you are aware/not feeling right about it... and meanwhile you're setting yourselves up for several small (but increasing?) disappointments - about sum it up?

I guess I would ask the classic "how do you feel about it" rather then validating right or wrong.
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DarkeonePosted: 2008-06-23 14:43
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You don't think he doesn't know he's being played on some level?

You've a serious disconnect there. Fact is if he's not kinky he's not likely to ever be and you'll never be completely satisfied.
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PoemePosted: 2008-06-23 14:53
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Maybe he's submissive.

Maybe he just doesn't enjoy giving or receiving pain with his sex.

That you are trying "more and more" to get him to engage in this way sounds like it is a need for you and not merely something you can take or leave.
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revenPosted: 2008-06-23 15:04
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It sort of depends...

On the one side I see a guy who has a chick who gets a bit playful and freaky in bed, a guy who reportedly doesn't mind that and even responds to it in his own terms - and I can't see how that could possibly be a bad thing. You're both having fun, right?

On the other side, I remember about a gazillion posts from other girls going "how can I make my boyfriend into a Dom", and if THAT is your ultimate goal, then there might be a problem.

You've already stated that he's not "BDSM material". So you've realized that the most you can "get out of him" is some semi-kinky fun when you initiate it. If you've settled with that and that will be enough to make you happy, then you should continue doing what you're doing, have fun and be happy. If he's not comfortable with BDSM, then don't label it BDSM. It's amazing what people can get into sometimes when you don't label what you're doing something they can't handle.

Keep being playful. Introduce fun stuff like handcuffs and paddles, nothing crazy or extreme, but enough to be fun. Giggle when you do this. Show him how much fun this is to you - and focus on the fun side. As long as he doesn't feel like you're trying to manipulate him into being something he's not, he is free to have fun and explore on his own terms. Combine the freaky fun stuff with soft loving kisses and caresses, and make sure he understands that this is also intimate for you.

I think one of the things that "vanilla" people have a problem with, is objectification. As in, using the kinky stuff for the sole purpose of getting your rocks off instead of it being an intimate action between two loving people. When it becomes about you getting your ass spanked because you need your ass spanked, rather than it being about you wanting to be intimate with him and playing with him and spanking just happens to be the means to achieve that intimacy - that's where a lot of vanilla people lose interest. So don't ever make it about the kink, make it about how the two of you can have fun together in hot ways.

What more you can do? Jump into his lap, and giggle and cuddle him and say "Man, I love it when we get a little bit wild, like when we play-wrestled yesterday, OMG and like when you playfully spanked me that day, that was so totally hot. It's just so much FUN! Is there anything you'd like to do?" Try whatever it is that he suggests, even it it seems lame to you. You're building intimacy and braveness, and he has a bit of a ways to go to reach your level of comfort with all this. And then make suggestions yourself like "you know, last night I had this fantasy about you doing/using [insert something sexy here] on me/to me... it really turned me on. Does that sound hot to you?"

Again, key is - keep it about HIM ("I had this fantasy about YOU using this tool on me" as opposed to "I had this fantasy about this tool"), and keep it lighthearted, sweet and sexy. You're not practicing something dark and occult, you're enjoying each other creatively.


Of course, if what you really want/need is a hardcore Master who controls you because he wants to control you, who hurts you because he wants to hurt you, and all that jazz, then you seem to be shit out of luck with your current lovely man. And in that case, if that's what you're aiming for, it's not really fair to your guy to try to manipulate him into being someone he isn't, and waste years of his life that he could have spent with someone who wants him the way he is.

I don't know where you're at with this. And whether it's right or wrong really depends on your intentions. Is your intent to spice things up for you and your man in a way that will be fun for the both of you, or is your intent to manipulate him into somebody else because he's not what you need?

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AverrosPosted: 2008-06-23 15:04
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Inducing vanilla to become a D/s top?

Well, besides obvious chance that he may be simply not interested (it's quite common, really), there's that little issue with the law and the crap they pounded into people's heads in the schools as "morality".

Unless I'm absolutely certain my play partner won't run to compain to police even if the session went wrong (and BDSM sessions can go wrong, sometimes seriously wrong), I won't touch her in non-vanilla way. Remember, asking someone to top you is asking him to break the law. D/s can look exactly like serious domestic abuse, assault, and battery to a jury composed of average-joes. Getting someone into D/s relationship requires a lot of trust - from both sides. Are you sure you have his trust - would he trust you to lie under the oath to protect him?

Then, there's a lot of people who are brainwashed into thinking that if something's against the law (such as beating one's spouse), it must be immoral. A decent person doesn't enjoy doing immoral (from his point of view) things - it directly affects his self-esteem. If this is the case, you're not going to get much progress. Changing core values is certainly possible, but few people can actually do that.

And, finally, there's a fear to become a pervert in his own eyes - this is, basically, a fear of becoming an outcast, of losing approval of the group. To lose this fear one needs to stop associating oneself in that (often imaginary) vanilla peer group. In the worst case just telling him about your own desires can trigger the fear (I'm with the pervert! Run! Run!)

You're really asking him to change a lot, to get out of comfortable security of being like others, and into the dangerous world of secrecy and marginality. This is something which shouldn't be done casually - talk to him about your desires, don't try to manipulate him into becoming somebody he doesn't want to be. The last thing you want is to maneuver him into slapping or beating you - and then having a monumental guilt trip and resentment it'd breed. Talk about youself, about wanting to be dominated, not about how he needs to do this and that to make you happy.

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slut_sofiaPosted: 2008-06-23 15:15
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I see nothing wrong with it. And don't let other people your communication skills are lacking -- only you will know when it's the right time to bring it up in the relationship. But this kind of manipulation is (oh no, I'm going to say the stigmatized phrase) topping from the bottom. It's a misunderstood term sometimes -- topping from the bottom is often how many new Doms learn from experiences submissives.

I say you go girl.
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hellagoodPosted: 2008-06-23 15:38
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Miss_Katie_S:
... my lovely (but oh so vanilla) man is not interested. I keep finding myself trying to trick him into being more dominating...


it seems as if the issue has already been addressed in some form sufficient enough to fund the wording "not interested"... now, if that was misstated I hope the OP will correct - otherwise I think what is left is a little honesty with oneself.
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writealot_99Posted: 2008-06-23 15:46
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Not everyone in this world is born a "natural" sadist or a masochist.
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LeadfromfrontPosted: 2008-06-23 17:07
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Speaking as a Top ... I REALLY like this idea. It clearly communicates your desires and does it in a way that encourages communication.

Growl.


fire6brand:
Don't wrestle with him, dance with him. Teach him to dance with you. If you like him, give it time.

Entice his aggressiveness. Feed him with your guiding sexual submissiveness. Tried cock worship? Try linking your fingers with his at the nape of your neck and begin gently pressing with him his cock into your throat. Gauge this, he should give you the signs, fuck him with your throat more aggressively... i.e., invoke drooling and gagging. I'm going to recommend the required non-waterproof mascara for this, but your probably already know that_wink He might love a tear streaked doll pleasing him to the point of gagging herself on his cock and just not know it. What else... run his fingers along where your lips are stretched around him. Show him. Keep watching for signs. Hmmm... if you're dressed (and if you are dressed this is subconsciously obviously all about him) ask him if you may touch yourself, say please, manners are sexy. When he answers, deep throat him so that he's not able to be the gentleman and help. Start pushing your jeans and panties down around your knees for that hobbled feeling. Show him how much you love what he's doing to your mouth. Intermittently smacking your pussy will show him that you like that too. Do not proceed to intercourse! Not this round. I think this time he should come in your face, mouth, throat. After his orgasm, clean his cock thoroughly. Lick away every trace of your ministrations. Smile up at him with your pretty tear streaked submissive face.


and report back_wink
Good luck!



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Epicurean2Posted: 2008-06-23 17:28
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fire6brand:
Don't wrestle with him, dance with him. Teach him to dance with you. If you like him, give it time.

Entice his aggressiveness. Feed him with your guiding sexual submissiveness. Tried cock worship? Try linking your fingers with his at the nape of your neck and begin gently pressing with him his cock into your throat. Gauge this, he should give you the signs, fuck him with your throat more aggressively... i.e., invoke drooling and gagging. I'm going to recommend the required non-waterproof mascara for this, but your probably already know that_wink He might love a tear streaked doll pleasing him to the point of gagging herself on his cock and just not know it. What else... run his fingers along where your lips are stretched around him. Show him. Keep watching for signs. Hmmm... if you're dressed (and if you are dressed this is subconsciously obviously all about him) ask him if you may touch yourself, say please, manners are sexy. When he answers, deep throat him so that he's not able to be the gentleman and help. Start pushing your jeans and panties down around your knees for that hobbled feeling. Show him how much you love what he's doing to your mouth. Intermittently smacking your pussy will show him that you like that too. Do not proceed to intercourse! Not this round. I think this time he should come in your face, mouth, throat. After his orgasm, clean his cock thoroughly. Lick away every trace of your ministrations. Smile up at him with your pretty tear streaked submissive face.


and report back_wink
Good luck!



This technique has a lot of merit. I'd welcome an actual demo myself - full report guaranteed !? _tongue_wink
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