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RiptideMonzarcPosted: 2009-07-02 21:48
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The original poster presented an interesting story with several anecdotes, and asked for peoples' opinions and stories in turn. Typically, many of the replies are lectures about what the original poster should do, with few (if any) personal anecdotes or even personal opinions added to the mix. As usual, many people made many assumptions based on the evidence presented in a single post, with predictable results.

First, to klutzynutzy, my standard advice: Be honest. With yourself and your partners. It sounds like you've already had a frank discussion with the boyfriend, which is excellent, and hopefully the precursor to many more.

A commitment doesn't mean being sexually monogamous...it means being honest with someone. It means promising to tell them where you're coming from, and trusting them to tell you the same, and listening. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't, but it's all about communicating and accepting that communication, even if it doesn't fit your preconceived notions of how things should be.

Now, the anecdote: I am a mid-20's polyamorous man, with dominant tendencies. I'm also married, and have been since I was 18. Likely I've had fewer physical sexual partners than most self-identified monogamous people, including the original poster.

Like the original poster, I have been roleplaying online and in real life for years, and have had many fun and fulfilling experiences online, including meeting my wife. My relationship has weathered storms which I've seen ruin other marriages, mainly because of my compulsion for honesty even when it hurts, and my willingness to accept honesty in return. I don't always live up to my ideal, but I work toward it constantly.

Never give up your passions, or your stories. Relationships come and go, wax and wane. Be true to yourself, even if you don't like what you see.
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veryhotwitchPosted: 2009-07-03 06:05
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klutzynutzy:
and no i don't think i have the self esteem to be single,


ouch. if you *need* another in your life to *make you happy*, you never will be.

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PapkaPosted: 2009-07-03 10:44
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klutzynutzy

Does anyone have a good concise resource I could share with him for him to start off with?


http://www.submissiveloving.com/index.html
http://www.takeninhand.com/
http://www.bdsmrelationships.com/entry.htm

Here are three links you can both read together. I did a quick google search. You'll be able to find a lot more.


Papka

Learn everything YOU need to know about yourself (it's a lifetime process...


If you're going to quote me...quote me correctly. I did not reference an absolute. Nor was I yelling; but I understand your defensiveness. I was 21 once too.


klutzynutzy

I'm not looking for nice, i'm looking for truthful...but I expected people to actually understand me, and not assume things (IE the friend of mine online)


You are getting truthful responses here; yet you still see what you want to see. We do understand you. Many that have responded are older. We have ALL been where you stand now. It's perfectly normal for you to rebel and tell us we're all wrong, and that we don't understand. But girl, isn't there a thread of common sense in you that can see we're trying to help; and that the things we're saying ARE the truth...since we've already been there/done that. Why not listen to those trying to help; rather than side with someone online who is most likely just using you. Step back a moment and look at things from a different perspective.

And as for online relationships...until you meet and establish an actual face to face friendship, your "relationship" with this individual will always be more fantasy versus reality. Perhaps this is safe to you and why you choose to cling to it. And before you get defensive; I role played for years before it became a bore and what I really wanted was to meet people in flesh 'n blood.


klutzynutzy

He [your boyfriend] accepted that there was a side of me he didn't think he could satisfy, and he said that he'd try some babysteps, but if it didn't work, then there was no reason for us to stay together. I accept this as reality, even though i'm not happy with it.


Your boyfriend has common sense. He knows what he can do for you, and more importantly, he knows what he can do for himself. I'd say this is a good lesson to learn from him, no matter what happens between you two.


klutzynutzy

I don't understand how anyone could try and live life with a revolving door attitude to relationships, It would drive me insane. Yes my relationships do tend to follow closely on one another, and no i don't think i have the self esteem to be single, but would i ever actively be like "ok it's been (amount of time)...time to move on to the next toy" hell no.


I admit, 'revolving door' is not a good analogy for relationships. I used your words...and I put it in quotes. I never once advocated that you use or belittle yourself. I suggested you date and have fun. I didn't even suggest you sleep with anyone. The fact that you said you do not have the self esteem to be single sent off HUGE alarm bells. My god woman, if you were my daughter I'd slap some sense into you now....because someone has to. That statement alone is the very definition of why you should NOT be in a romantic relationship of any sort at the moment. If you don't see that now, you will continue down a very slippery slope for the next several years, until your life lessons will become harder and more painful...until god willing, you will finally wake up. If that's the life you want...your choice.


klutzynutzy

I am not looking for marriage. I am no where near ready for that, most 21 year olds arent. I don't plan on looking for that level of commitment until much later (around 27 or so maybe?) because I want to live on my own, with my own job, and my own money. If I can't look after myself, how am I supposed to look after a family?

I am looking for commitment that fulfills what both I and my partner(s) need. It would be selfish to not want whomever is making me happy to be happy as well. In fact I look for His happiness before I look after my own.


There's hope for you yet kid. From this, I can see you know exactly what you want in your life...and for some stupid reason you are choosing to distract yourself with stupid online, time wasting stupidity...and getting into relationships you clearly are not ready for.

Get YOUR life in order. Do all those things you want to do for yourself ... because if you don't do them now, 27 will come by very fast (trust me on this), and you'll have nothing to show for yourself...becuase you wasted all this time on nonsense.

You wanted the truth. There it is.

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_GhostPosted: 2009-07-03 14:12
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Papka:
Get YOUR life in order. Do all those things you want to do for yourself


Seconded.

With color... for emphasis.
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klutzynutzyPosted: 2009-07-04 00:24
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Papika, thank you for those links and comments I didn't directly respond to.


Papka:

klutzynutzy

I'm not looking for nice, i'm looking for truthful...but I expected people to actually understand me, and not assume things (IE the friend of mine online)


You are getting truthful responses here; yet you still see what you want to see. We do understand you. Many that have responded are older. We have ALL been where you stand now. It's perfectly normal for you to rebel and tell us we're all wrong, and that we don't understand. But girl, isn't there a thread of common sense in you that can see we're trying to help; and that the things we're saying ARE the truth...since we've already been there/done that. Why not listen to those trying to help; rather than side with someone online who is most likely just using you. Step back a moment and look at things from a different perspective.

And as for online relationships...until you meet and establish an actual face to face friendship, your "relationship" with this individual will always be more fantasy versus reality. Perhaps this is safe to you and why you choose to cling to it. And before you get defensive; I role played for years before it became a bore and what I really wanted was to meet people in flesh 'n blood.


I don't really think you do understand though you seem to think you do. If you rp'd then you should at least remotely understand, but it seems like you either aren't really a rp'er at heart, or all you did was cyber with characters. There is no point to try to get you to understand.


Papka:

klutzynutzy

I don't understand how anyone could try and live life with a revolving door attitude to relationships, It would drive me insane. Yes my relationships do tend to follow closely on one another, and no i don't think i have the self esteem to be single, but would i ever actively be like "ok it's been (amount of time)...time to move on to the next toy" hell no.


I admit, 'revolving door' is not a good analogy for relationships. I used your words...and I put it in quotes. I never once advocated that you use or belittle yourself. I suggested you date and have fun. I didn't even suggest you sleep with anyone. The fact that you said you do not have the self esteem to be single sent off HUGE alarm bells. My god woman, if you were my daughter I'd slap some sense into you now....because someone has to. That statement alone is the very definition of why you should NOT be in a romantic relationship of any sort at the moment. If you don't see that now, you will continue down a very slippery slope for the next several years, until your life lessons will become harder and more painful...until god willing, you will finally wake up. If that's the life you want...your choice.


I'm sorry, I forgot that I had used the 'revolving door' term (I wrote my response after work so I wasn't entirely thinking straight)

And I realize the self esteem issue is a problem, hence being in counseling


Papka:

klutzynutzy

I am not looking for marriage. I am no where near ready for that, most 21 year olds arent. I don't plan on looking for that level of commitment until much later (around 27 or so maybe?) because I want to live on my own, with my own job, and my own money. If I can't look after myself, how am I supposed to look after a family?

I am looking for commitment that fulfills what both I and my partner(s) need. It would be selfish to not want whomever is making me happy to be happy as well. In fact I look for His happiness before I look after my own.


There's hope for you yet kid. From this, I can see you know exactly what you want in your life...and for some stupid reason you are choosing to distract yourself with stupid online, time wasting stupidity...and getting into relationships you clearly are not ready for.

Get YOUR life in order. Do all those things you want to do for yourself ... because if you don't do them now, 27 will come by very fast (trust me on this), and you'll have nothing to show for yourself...because you wasted all this time on nonsense.

You wanted the truth. There it is.


I am focusing on myself, just because I posted about the problem on here doesn't mean it is consuming my life...I am in College taking summer classes and in an Internship in a 6 year dual major program and have had more job offers than I could shake a stick at (then again...that saying never made sense to me). I have family, friends, and a life outside of the issue I came on here to talk about.

I don't consider anything that I chose to spend my time on as 'wasted' everything is an experience, good/bad/indifferent, it still adds to our life and shapes who we are.

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COLDstar13Posted: 2009-07-06 23:43
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I'm dealing with something that is loosely similar. . . .(see my post on starting over). First things first, as many have mentioned . . .honesty is the way to go, it is easier to be honest in the beginning than after things have gone badly. I think the suggestion of inviting him to this site is a wonderful idea. Maybe getting a couple of intro books for him as well (if he's a reader). I'm really a fan of SM 101, but there are tons out there (type BDSM in amazon.com and see). If you're in an area where there are munches, clubs, classes start trying those out. One way that I kinda nudged my hubby into this was by reading stories from the Master/slave erotica collection . . .and telling him which ones turned me on the most etc . . . As a sub who was abused as a child (as many are), I know personally that it's a journey to work past taboos, personal walls, traumatic experiences, and so forth. It'll be a journey for the both of you if he chooses to really try. Many people will say that it is a journey that requires patience and communication, so try keep that in mind. As for now you should drop the online buddy until you can have a good talk with your sweetie about your concerns, nothing good can stem from it at this point. I dunno what else to add,I hope everything works out.
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