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| forrestjack1 | Posted: 2005-08-06 02:37 | |
| Forum Apprentice United States 138 Posts | girl_in_a_cage: I don't think the flag is hideous. Boring and uninspired, maybe, but not hideous. As for the leather pride flag, I've always been a little squicked by the heart. I want to acknowledge that a real person, probably a leatherman, designed the flag, and give it its full due. A couple of years ago was the first time they flew the leather pride flag at the corner of Castro and Market in San Francisco over Folsom weekend, and it made my heart swell with pride. I see that flag flying from a lot of houses in this city, and it always delights me. The current leather pride flag means a lot to me and I have enormous respect for it. But the heart. Hm. Objectively speaking, I don't love it. I prefer Misha's redesign, with the red re-shaped into a central stripe. -- I don't see the need for a flag or any type of symbolism. I'm not the least bit ashamed of who I am or what I like, but I see no need to call any attention to myself either. No ones trying to stop me from doing what I do so do I really need a BDSM pride parade? Nope, I just need a sub to do it with. lol | |
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| pinkwind | Posted: 2005-08-06 02:49 | |
Dun quhynging! United Kingdom 10,319 Posts | No, i would hate to be represented by Master Tallen's flag design. Yes, i went and had a look, and on first impression it left me with the creepy feeling i have seeing anything associated with the Third Reich, and all that it stood for. For me, too dark and foreboding. Personally i think it could be divisive, in that it might be seen to represent the darker elements of the BDSM world, edge and pain, whereas not all the folk who link themselves with this world are into that, and i feel that design would do those people a great disservice. Moreover, i was under the impression that we were, even falteringly, trying to gain a modicum of acceptance in the wider world, and i have a gut feeling that this flag would do us no favours at all. For myself, i would be happier with a symbol, either new or existing, that more fully represented all shades of our community. http://members.aol.com/quagmyr/emblem.htm i do not relish another faction drawn from the wider world of kink providing a flag that they see as representative of folk they have no links to, other than on the fringes. That we have a need at all for a flag i doubt, but i would rather be represented by something with less dark connotations.
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| Gold_lingam | Posted: 2005-08-06 03:21 | |
Forum Maniac United Kingdom 2,815 Posts | it says: "This symbol is offered as a representation of the Dominant/submissive or Master/slave Lifestyle. This simplistic design was created by combining established ideogrammic symbols. The vertical stripe is a universal symbol meaning power or dominance. The set of three horizontal stripes is a universal symbol meaning passive or submissive. The flag is a basic black with a white border. The Dom/sub symbols are in red and in the center. The intent was to create a symbol that represents the foundation of the Master/slave dynamic which is Dominance and submissiveness".
What does "universal symbol" mean? Mathematically, three horizontal lines means:"is defined as" or "congruence". That is far from submissive. Maybe something using the symbol for "strict inequality" "<" would be better. or perhaps inequation see also the "bottom element" symbol Ref http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_mathematical_symbols
Do not be quick to anger, for anger lodges in the bosom of fools. Ecclesiastes The man who never alters his opinions is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind. | |
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| Cruel_to_b_Kind | Posted: 2005-08-06 05:40 | |
Forum Giant United Kingdom 6,283 Posts | Steady1: I really have to wonder how anyone could get ANY sort of "symbolic meaning" out of a bunch of red stripes. Unless they were were what the Bluemantle Pursuivant might call "Appliqué aux fesses"  -- Dukkha: Smart, sane and stable Spsunwotnot: Listen to this woman. She knows what she's talking about. Greg150: I agree with everything Cruel_to_b_Kind says | |
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| emetib | Posted: 2005-08-06 05:46 | |
| forum slut United States 13,383 Posts | Cruel_to_b_Kind: Steady1: I really have to wonder how anyone could get ANY sort of "symbolic meaning" out of a bunch of red stripes. Unless they were were what the Bluemantle Pursuivant might call "Appliqué aux fesses" *snicker* | |
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| OfMindAndBody | Posted: 2005-08-06 05:55 | |
| Mr. Congeniality United States 8,291 Posts | whipped_cream: Now that's a butt-ugly flag... As if labels aren't bad enough .... now a fucking flag? ~smerk~ | |
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| Loki11467 | Posted: 2005-08-06 07:30 | |
Forum Regular United States 879 Posts | These are threads where I crack up because people take themselves way way too seriously. Kind of like the guy who spends his free time wearing leather pretending to be always Dominant when we all know your not Dominant unless someone gives you that role. If I don't think your Dominant....that means to me your not (to me not saying someone else wouldnt find you that way). So again why a flag why a symbol. The Greens don't have one. The right to life or right too choose don't have one. Is the leather lifestyle a political group? If so why are so many leather people conservative. They are alternative sexually but uptight socially conservative pricks (at least 40% are from my years of interacting with people) which makesthem hypocrites. No way you can have an umbrella group covering everyone. Maybe just have to people shagging doggy style as the flag symbol LOL | |
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| Mr_Difficult | Posted: 2005-08-06 07:32 | |
Forum Regular United States 773 Posts | SenorJaime: I know there's a desire on behalf of some D/S and M/S types to express their uniqueness from the scene-at-large, but do we really need another flag? Clearly we need another flag. Right now all we have is a Gay Pride flag, a Leather Pride flag, a Trangender Pride flag, a Bi Pride flag, a Polyamory Pride flag, three different Bear Pride flags, and a "Rainbow Divers" flag (for gay and lesbian scuba divers). In what kind of impoverished world do Bears only have three flags to represent them? And both gay and lesbian scuba divers have to share only one between them! The inhumanity! Anton | |
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| NYLion | Posted: 2005-08-06 07:57 | |
Forum Apprentice United States 409 Posts | There already is a leather pride flag designed by Tony Deblase. Our community adopted it years ago. Here is what it looks like: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/cv/aboutflag.html We really don't need another. -- | |
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| SASir | Posted: 2005-08-06 08:05 | |
Forum Regular United States 635 Posts | Steady1: (snip) I really have to wonder how anyone could get ANY sort of "symbolic meaning" out of a bunch of red stripes. Hey, I had a bunch of Red Stripes the other night and got lots of symbolic meaning out of it. And one horrific hangover. I don't think any of the symbolic meanings were related to the life though. Mostly to staying on my bar stool. Oh, and I don't care for the flag much either. | |
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| Misha | Posted: 2005-08-06 10:16 | |
Mr. Punny Guy United States 5,148 Posts | Schmunzelmonster: I do wonder if your desire for acknowledgement and your desire to "get it out there" are not in conflict...Union Jacks being "flown" in solidarity...wouldn't have happened if everyone had had to get permission from whoever designed it before they added it to their avatar. People seem to be missing that "or" part of my sigline -- everyone is *totally* welcome to spread that flag around without asking my permission first, I just at least want a "© Misha" or similar attribution kept if possible, even if just verbally ("hey, where'd ya get that flag?" "A guy named Misha redid the Leather Pride one.") Otherwise, spread the damn thing around as much as you want! Really, go right ahead! Mr_Difficult: Clearly we need another flag. *grin* Well, yeah A, that's precisely the quandry I wondered about -- would the mere reaction of "Oh God, not *another* flag!" kill any interest in this one? I *am* however considering having this one be the official flag for the official motto of #forums: SUAP! (Shut Up And Play!) Katie: I prefer Misha's flag... Even though I didn't know that it was his own design the colours were easily identifiable to me to say hey, BDSM flag. NYLion: There already is a leather pride flag designed by Tony Deblase. Thank you for mentioning Deblase and his history. I definitely *don't* want anyone forgetting his creation of the original flag. I'm glad that people do remember him and his contribution, and want to clarify that the only thing I've done differently with mine is take out the red heart (when Deblase unveiled his couldn't *someone* have said "hmm, the heart is kinda tacky lookin'") and add the red stripe in the middle. -- - M. BDSM Flag avatar is Copyright Misha, 2005. No reproduction without permission or attribution. This is my own redesign of the BDSM pride/leather flag. I prefer the red as a line rather than as a heart in the corner. | |
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| DaggerDom | Posted: 2005-08-06 10:28 | |
Forum Apprentice  United States 232 Posts | Flags give us something to burn. Other than that they are of dubious utility. | |
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| Orthia_Turan | Posted: 2005-08-06 12:04 | |
Forum Slut United States 1,258 Posts | All I can say as the owner of the book DICTIONARY OF SYMBOLS is that somebody took a few definitions and got a wild hair up something. Neither of those symbols have a singular and universal definition. for instance, the vertical line can also symbolize division, it's used to signify "power on" and when used in ground-to-air emergency code, it means "pilot is wounded and is in need of a doctor." the three horizontal lines are used in meteorology to symbolize mist. ReLaCHE's Blog: effluvia | |
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| NYLion | Posted: 2005-08-07 06:48 | |
Forum Apprentice United States 409 Posts | Misha: I just at least want a "© Misha" or similar attribution kept if possible, even if just verbally ("hey, where'd ya get that flag?" "A guy named Misha redid the Leather Pride one.") This is a big problem (you wanting credit). Tony never asked for that. He just did it for the community. He was a friend of mine and I can tell you that the design was to fill a need and he did it strictly to help the community. The heart is there because love is a big part of our community. A "cool" design is far less important then a symbol that we can all share. I recognize your desire to make your mark by designing a new flag, but that really isn't the way to do it. You can make yourself famous by helping others and helping to build our community. -- | |
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| Misha | Posted: 2005-08-07 18:38 | |
Mr. Punny Guy United States 5,148 Posts | NYLion: This is a big problem (you wanting credit). Tony never asked for that. He just did it for the community. He was a friend of mine and I can tell you that the design was to fill a need and he did it strictly to help the community. You know, you're right. I don't want an ego thing to get mixed up in it, and I know Tony's story with it and respect that. I'd love for this to become a known flag amongst pervs, even though the "need" now isn't so much of one, not like in Tony's day. I'd just like it to be my contribution to offline BDSM community life, in the long run (aside from legal-oriented undertakings I could perhaps do someday). -- BDSM Flag avatar is Copyright Misha, 2005. No reproduction without permission or attribution. This is my own redesign of the BDSM pride/leather flag. I prefer the red as a line rather than as a heart in the corner. | |
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