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| Magic8ball | Posted: 2004-10-21 21:12 | |
Forum Apprentice United States 352 Posts | aiken, Perhaps you could contact them or some other adult sites and see if you can find out how they are getting around the rules? aiken: I'm just curious as to why alt.com doesn't seem affected by this policy? They are California based and subject to the same credit companies aren't they? Ineed they are. They may go through different intermediaries who may interpret and/or enforce the rules differently, or it may just be that they make so much more money than us that VISA and/or the intermediaries are less aggressive in this area. Cheers and natural causes combined than by any one tomato. Online Support and FAQs | Email Customer Support | Your Settings | |
| Master_Tiberius | Posted: 2004-10-21 21:26 | |
Forum Maniac Canada 6,899 Posts | Fuck it...find some alternitive like paypal and fuck visa. -- MT Without data, all you are is just another person with an opinion. | |
| AquaDreams | Posted: 2004-10-21 21:40 | |
| I fought the bone and the bone won 24,957 Posts | silkenglider: sepia_kitty: FREEDOM always comes at a cost, and this is a small price to pay. If you have to pay for your freedom, you're not really free.
NB: I am not trying to hijack the thread -- my original post was simply to give Aiken, et. al., my support and gratitude for this site! | |
| moll_saunders | Posted: 2004-10-21 21:40 | |
| Forum Newbie United States 69 Posts | A while ago, a porn site I occasionally write for switched its means of paying its writers from Paypal to Paystone (http://www.paystone.com/) because Paypal had begun freezing any porn-related accounts. I don't know if it's still a viable porn-friendly alternative to Paypal since I've not used it in quite a few months. I imagine, though, that this has been investigated by you folks. Best of luck with all of this. Moll | |
| muffy | Posted: 2004-10-21 22:03 | |
| Forum Maniac United States 2,469 Posts | "rape," "bestiality," "lolita," "pedophile," "pedo," or "necrophilia." She was used forcebly against her will. There are ways around everything. One word isn't going to make a difference. These people really need to understand that. | |
| MMays419 | Posted: 2004-10-21 23:07 | |
| Forum Apprentice United States 460 Posts | muffy: "rape," "bestiality," "lolita," "pedophile," "pedo," or "necrophilia." She was used forcebly against her will. Point well taken, but what happens in the future if the word "bondage" is added to the Visa banned words list? (As in bondage.com). I'm posting in this thread mainly because I anticipate very dark days ahead with regard to this and similar issues. This sort of selective censorship by "big biz" may very well be a trial run for something more drastic some day... | |
| MMays419 | Posted: 2004-10-21 23:20 | |
| Forum Apprentice United States 460 Posts | ShyDreaming: Oh fer crissake... Find me a wall to go bang my head on. I don't mean to sound rude, but how is this helpful? | |
| SweetTooth | Posted: 2004-10-22 02:57 | |
Forum Maniac United States 2,749 Posts | First off every one here should be using their discover card to pay for this site, I don't know how similiar their policies are, but basicly the heck with VISA, I don't even have one, it is no where I want to be. I take that back, my ATM is VISA, but I didn't have a choice with that for the debit card. I haven't got the faintest idea how hard it would be to change which card is being used to pay for the site, but it is something to look into. -- Tanstaafl SweetTooth | |
| Heathen28 | Posted: 2004-10-22 06:43 | |
Forum Slut United Kingdom 1,091 Posts | Lakrits: Grunge28: is it not possible to "block" words in the forum code and replace them with either asterx's ( f**K for example )? this is political correctness gone insane. I tried to show what kind of wierd consequences that would give... -- ahh yes, similar to AOL not allowing people from Scunthorpe to register cos there filter wouldn't allow the town name | |
| tangata_whenua | Posted: 2004-10-22 11:19 | |
Forum Maniac Spain 3,188 Posts | Aiken, I´m sorry to hear that times are getting harder. Getting around VISA and MASTERCARD is mission impossible, because if you are a premium member and you want to pay, it´s done by credit card and gues what credit cards people have? Yes, it´s VISA and MASTER CARD. If you are unable to accept payments done by VISA or MASTER CARD, you can close down. To move the hosting of b.com to another country may help, but the cost of moving to another server needs to be considered and also if it is needed to move the operational base (offices) of the website as well. Regarding a move of servers and stuff involved, Aiken, you got mail.
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| Binder | Posted: 2004-10-22 15:47 | |
Forum Maniac United States 10,579 Posts | IMO, if Visa is attempting to restrict what can be said here or anywhere, they are inviolation of the Consitutional protections offered freedom of the press and freedom of speech.
The ACLU (aclu.org) and the Electronic Frontier FOundation (eff.org) are also champions of free speech. There would appear to be legal precedent supporting our right to say what we want on some private property; I hope that's a given and understood. What's unclear, as near as I can tell, is whether a company like Visa can interfere with the right of free speech made by its customers. "After applying the Schmid test, the New Jersey Supreme Court reasoned in New Jersey Coalition that because the mall owners "have intentionally transformed their property into a public square or market, a public gathering place, a downtown business district, a community," they cannot later deny their own implied invitation to use the space as it was clearly intended." --http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/assembly/topic.aspx?topic=private_property In that sense, I believe Visa has similar obligations as a part of that "public gathering place." "... 'Freedom of the press from governmental interference under the First Amendment does not sanction repression of that freedom by private interests.'" Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367, 392 (quoting Associated Press v. United States, 326 U.S. 1, 20) ..." If I can help in any way, contct me. | |
| NextGuard | Posted: 2004-10-22 21:04 | |
| Forum Maniac United States 4,896 Posts | Binder: IMO, if Visa is attempting to restrict what can be said here or anywhere, they are inviolation of the Consitutional protections offered freedom of the press and freedom of speech. Not really. There is nothing in the constitution that says a company has to do business with another business if they don't like the sexual content involved. Aiken, is there anything you would like the members to do? | |
| Binder | Posted: 2004-10-22 22:19 | |
Forum Maniac United States 10,579 Posts | NextGuard: Binder: IMO, if Visa is attempting to restrict what can be said here or anywhere, they are inviolation of the Consitutional protections offered freedom of the press and freedom of speech. Not really. There is nothing in the constitution that says a company has to do business with another business if they don't like the sexual content involved. Aiken, is there anything you would like the members to do? That's where the third cite I listed comes in, I believe. I could easily be wrong on that... my head's swimming in politics right now. And I feel like I'm going down for the fifth time.
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| Evil_Seasons_Master1 | Posted: 2004-10-22 22:26 | |
Forum Maniac 6,959 Posts | Sounds like a lot of watch-dogging... Remember the perverta episode? Why not just recode those hot-words into say: One fish etc. Salty Regards™ | |
| NextGuard | Posted: 2004-10-22 22:38 | |
| Forum Maniac United States 4,896 Posts | Sensual_Master1: Sounds like a lot of watch-dogging... Remember the perverta episode? Why not just recode those hot-words into say: One fish Can you imagine how may variations on spelling and masking could be derived from those words? Not to mention other words that essentially say the same thing. Visa is not gonna like the term 6 year old any better than lolita... it will just take them longer to figure it out. Just brainstorming here but I wonder what the combined revenue is from the effected businesses and if there is any way to band together with a single middleman for leverage? | |
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