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And that symbol thingy is hokey beyond belief.
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The original LPF is NOT a gay only flag. It is more widely used in the gay leather community, but does that make it a "gay" flag? No.

It is just one more way that the GLBT Leather Community has stepped up and be more out and proud about exactly who and what they are. The het community has and continues to be content with staying in the closet and doing what it is that they do behind closed doors.

I have a LPF on my car.. it is a part of my leather history. I honor the man who created it, what it means to me, and all that it has done for the community I believe in.

I never got to know Tony DeBlase. However, it is well known that he never did define the flag. He leaves it up to each person to find what it means to them.. much like the way we live and love. Variations of the original flag have been created everywhere.

I have also seen the massive flag flying in SF during Folsom.. I cried at the beautiful sight of that flag hanging there. Yes, I am sappy like that. So what.

There is a symbol, a flag.. and yep.. an anthem! Hey, now all we have to do is find some small country, beat it into submission and we can have a country of our own! hahahaha!

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Edited by - SenorJaime on 2005-08-10 01:13:01

Hmm, interesting, you conveniently left out two other sentences from my prior post, namely the first and last sentence of the paragraph. Note that what I really said was:

So in other words, the aspect of DeBlase's control over the original flag about which you're complaining, i.e. the "anyone wishing to use it for purely commercial purposes must receive our written approval" part, isn't even an issue in what I've said already.

Would I like my nick to stay attached in conjunction with it in future? Sure. Would I be proud to leave this flag as a legacy to BDSM? Yup. Do I want to inhibit anyone's ability to spread it around and use it and create stickers and actual flags and such? Nope.

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"Guns are like a highly concentrated projectile karate." Boy on Stick and Slither

One of the mistakes people frequently make when creating new flags
is to break the rules of heraldry about only putting colours (red,
blue, green, brown, purple, black) against metals (yellow, white.)
If you look at almost all national flags, they follow this rule and
it evolved for a reason: it's much harder to see shapes if the
colour scheme is something like red on black. That's as true today
when you're in a city at night time looking for a particular shop
or bar, as it was on the medieval battlefields where heraldry evolved.

Regards,

Tanos

Edited by - Tanos on 2005-08-10 02:13:01

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You know I understand pride movements among minorities that face massive oppression. But people playing master/slave games in the bedroom and/or in their daily lives don't have to face the massive amounts of discrimination and sheer hate that actually oppressed minorities have to deal with. And most of the ones that think they are oppressed are probably just overly whiny.

You know, with all the REAL problems we actually DO face as bdsmers from law enforcement, stds and religious fundies I think it would be far more worthwhile to spend our time, energy and resources on something of more value than useless signs, symbols and slogans to use so we can distance ourselves from others.

As for finding like minded people...HELLO???? You can't go to a BDSM event, club, group, munch, email list, website or chatroom and swing a dead cat without hitting someone named sirmasterlorddarklionheartedone and his 24/7 sub/slave softfluffykittenishflowerpetel. Now, go somewhere in the BDSM scene and try to find at least more that one person that DOESN'T do master/slave or at least dom/sub in BDSM these days. Now that's a task. If you are in any way even remotly connected to anything dealing with BDSM and can't find at least ONE person that shares your master/slave or dom/sub kink then you're not only blind but stupid as well. That's kinda like saying you live in America and you can't find any christians.

Anyway, Margaret Cho summed up my feelings on this whole "pride" crap when she said:

"I was like: Am I gay? Am I straight? And I realized I'm just slutty. Where's my parade?"
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Edited by - Deviant_1 on 2005-08-12 02:52:00