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| masterdave_wi | Posted: 2004-10-23 07:53 | |
Forum Apprentice  United States 203 Posts | Basically, you need legal advice. VISA may have the right to restrict explicit discussion of clearly illegal acts, but there are (or should be) limits. For example, "Lolita" is the title of a classic novel and a proper name. Is VISA going to go after Amazon.com for using that word on their site to sell the book and the two movies based on it? If they can get away with censoring a proper name, can they censor "Dolores"? ("Lolita" is "short" for "Dolores"). What about "Bob" or "Mary"? Is there any limit to this? Is VISA going to be permitted to censor any discussion forum for crime victims or abuse victims that uses words that describe illegal acts? Clearly a law suit is in order and NCSF and ACLU either should help or stop asking for contributions. If this isn't a civil liberties issue, what is? | |
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| Asshole | Posted: 2004-10-23 07:59 | |
Fucked Up Senior Moderator  United States 12,940 Posts | I know this is repeating an old topic, but what about accepting checks, money orders, or traveler's checks? I know it's not as convenient, but it's better than shutting down the site. By accepting these, you can offer several payment options. I would pay yearly if that option was available, but lesser time periods could be priced and listed also. Just a thought... | |
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| Tanos | Posted: 2004-10-23 08:15 | |
Forum Apprentice United Kingdom 379 Posts | NextGuard: Binder: IMO, if Visa is attempting to restrict what can be said here or anywhere, they are inviolation of the Consitutional protections offered freedom of the press and freedom of speech. Not really. There is nothing in the constitution that says a company has to do business with another business if they don't like the sexual content involved. Given VISA and Mastercard's stranglehold of the market, is any of your Regards, Tanos -- Me: http://www.tanos.org.uk/ | |
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| Jo_LFS | Posted: 2004-10-23 08:53 | |
Moderate Extremist United States 7,074 Posts | Binder: IMO, if Visa is attempting to restrict what can be said here or anywhere, they are inviolation of the Consitutional protections offered freedom of the press and freedom of speech.
The ACLU (aclu.org) and the Electronic Frontier FOundation (eff.org) are also champions of free speech. There would appear to be legal precedent supporting our right to say what we want on some private property; I hope that's a given and understood. What's unclear, as near as I can tell, is whether a company like Visa can interfere with the right of free speech made by its customers. "After applying the Schmid test, the New Jersey Supreme Court reasoned in New Jersey Coalition that because the mall owners "have intentionally transformed their property into a public square or market, a public gathering place, a downtown business district, a community," they cannot later deny their own implied invitation to use the space as it was clearly intended." --http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/assembly/topic.aspx?topic=private_property In that sense, I believe Visa has similar obligations as a part of that "public gathering place." "... 'Freedom of the press from governmental interference under the First Amendment does not sanction repression of that freedom by private interests.'" Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367, 392 (quoting Associated Press v. United States, 326 U.S. 1, 20) ..." If I can help in any way, contct me. No, the Constitution applies only as an agreement between Government and Citizens (well, habitants to be more prescise..) It has no pull over corporate policy. | |
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| Kmans_slut | Posted: 2004-10-23 09:05 | |
Forum Apprentice United States 204 Posts | I just had a post pulled last night because of mentioning....uhm...well.....let me put it this way... 24 yrs ago, i planted a little flower on this vastly earth. it took that flower 21 years to pollenate and produce another flower - altho much like the original plant, the new flower is delicate and unique in a manner all its own. the problem was that a nasty wind blew up and carried that new pollen very far away and i was unable to locate the new flower. quite by chance and totally unexpected - an aroma of familiarity came over me - and when i glanced down - that little flower was there. as the gardner of the original plant, i was filled with pride and joy at how beautiful the new little flower was. now i hope to be able to admire it and watch it mature into all it's beauty. so, well...anyways. censorship sucks and i promise no more mentioning of flowers or poorly written parodies. i run my own business and know full well that even in America - freedom is not necessarily "being free" - we all have rules we must live by. aiken - thanks for doing all you can do, to keep a site such as this - alive and well. in the spirit of leather, | |
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| Binder | Posted: 2004-10-23 13:41 | |
Forum Maniac United States 10,579 Posts | Kmans_slut: I just had a post pulled last night because of mentioning....uhm...well.....let me put it this way... If it was the post I'm thinking of... dayum. I'm glad the flower is blooming. | |
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| Binder | Posted: 2004-10-23 13:58 | |
Forum Maniac United States 10,579 Posts | Jo_LFS: Binder: IMO, if Visa is attempting to restrict what can be said here or anywhere, they are inviolation of the Consitutional protections offered freedom of the press and freedom of speech. No, the Constitution applies only as an agreement between Government and Citizens (well, habitants to be more prescise..) It has no pull over corporate policy. You might want to read some of the cites I provided (at least) before spouting your opinion, if you want to be taken seriously. Coporations based in the US have similar rights and responisiblities that citizens do. You could, of course, offer evidence to the contrary. I'd be far more inclined to give your assertion credence if you offered some supporting evidence. | |
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| Blueberry | Posted: 2004-10-23 16:25 | |
| Forum Regular 928 Posts | This is a very sad News, indeed... As a Disabled American, long suffering from Tourette Syndrome I am appalled at the current trend of eroding our constitutional rights, particularly through the Patriot Act. I believe that most people are basically good, though... So I would like to ask distinguished b.com members to join me in petitioning John Ashcroft to relax the stand on the usage of the word "cunt". I, for one, am medically compelled to overuse this term, especially discussing in the forums important issues of our age with Heatherbirdie, Paisley, worthless_thang, lemursaresexy, uber_slutbucket , fxxkmesexkitten and least but not last Meatmarket.... thank you, God Bless you, and have nice day, fuckers. Moondaughter: "Blueberry was the person who posted a thread indicating that ShymissA was dead and trying to sell pictures of her ass." | |
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| fxxkmesexkitten | Posted: 2004-10-23 16:34 | |
Forum Maniac Australia 9,003 Posts | First remove the language and then slowly no one notices when the behaviours also disappear. But heh thats your country man and you lot voted for the dweebs who uphold and enforce these laws! So what are you all doing about it? Hmmmmmm? -- masonpearson | |
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| fxxkmesexkitten | Posted: 2004-10-23 16:43 | |
Forum Maniac Australia 9,003 Posts | cnut cnut cnut cunt cnut cnut cnut cunt! Which one is the imposter dirty word and why? I have a perfectly freindly hairy cnut cnut cnut cunt! [dirty word thought] four letter words and corrupt concept on behaviours [/dirty word thought] masonpearson | |
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| writealot_99 | Posted: 2004-10-23 20:18 | |
Forum Maniac United States 7,704 Posts | So what about the pay websites that are actually devoted to that kind of porn? I think there are some still some sites that "pretend" it's a couple of those things you mentioned, and I think that there are manu sites still around that actually show one of those things you mentioned. Or maybe you guys could create your own credit card and payment processing companies. I'm sure there's some NoCal VC's that would have an interest in that if the ROI is good for them, and they'd get some free pub to boot. Bill | |
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| -Mouth- | Posted: 2004-10-24 15:43 | |
Forum Slut United States 1,511 Posts | Eh, another site I've been to has a block set up. Rather than r**e, it sets it up as funny little catch phrases. "rape" turns into "sweet tender kisses" "Necrophyllia" turns into "dancing with aunt margaret" "bestiality" turns into roasting a turkey... things like that. I know they did it with that one chick's name a while back, so I don't see why they couldnt. The other thing you could do is replace offending words with "<edited for content. please contact link to VISA for questions, concerns, or complaints>" Just a thought (or two) p. | |
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| -Mouth- | Posted: 2004-10-24 15:46 | |
Forum Slut United States 1,511 Posts | Well, there's always ACH... (auto-account withdrawal). My gym fees come out that way. Or bank-to-bank wires OR... i know my bank will do auto-payment via bank transfer. I pay my mortgage that way. I just tell the bank where to send the check, and they send it. Don't most banks have some sort of free bill pay any more? It'd keep all the payers from having to mail the check every month. p.
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| muffy | Posted: 2004-10-24 19:38 | |
| Forum Maniac United States 2,469 Posts | It this does happen, the upswing would be getting rid of this: blueberry: Reading women's posts on bondage.com induces the same dilemma as when I watch "Sex in the City" : "Do I rape them and shoot them?..or I shoot them first, then rape them?"* *this doesnt apply to girls Why is this guy allowed to post this sig line? | |
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| Aesexual | Posted: 2004-10-25 09:48 | |
UberPixieofD00m - unknown - 4,868 Posts | Point well taken, but what happens in the future if the word "bondage" is added to the Visa banned words list? (As in bondage.com). Scary thought, but that time is coming. We aren't all as free in this country as we would like to believe. | |
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