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| Aesexual | Posted: 2004-10-25 09:55 | |
UberPixieofD00m  - unknown - 4,868 Posts | Binder: Jo_LFS: No, the Constitution applies only as an agreement between Government and Citizens (well, habitants to be more prescise..) It has no pull over corporate policy. You might want to read some of the cites I provided (at least) before spouting your opinion, if you want to be taken seriously. I take him very seriously. He is quite brilliant. | |
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| Binder | Posted: 2004-10-25 12:55 | |
Forum Maniac United States 10,579 Posts | Aeval: Binder: Jo_LFS: No, the Constitution applies only as an agreement between Government and Citizens (well, habitants to be more prescise..) It has no pull over corporate policy. You might want to read some of the cites I provided (at least) before spouting your opinion, if you want to be taken seriously. I take him very seriously. He is quite brilliant. He can be... but the post of his I responded to was not a stellar example of brilliance. Einstein was brialliant, but I wouldn't ask him how to boil an egg. I think it's good to question everything, especially "common wisdom" and unsupported statements of "Fact." | |
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| Aesexual | Posted: 2004-10-25 23:01 | |
UberPixieofD00m - unknown - 4,868 Posts | Binder: He can be... but the post of his I responded to was not a stellar example of brilliance. Einstein was brialliant, but I wouldn't ask him how to boil an egg. More of jo's qualities are that he isn't arrogant or rude. | |
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| Evil_Isabeau | Posted: 2004-10-26 00:39 | |
Forum Slut Canada 1,013 Posts | Well I think it is entirely justified that VISA does this. I mean, sex and all related materials are sin, so why should we all be happy and do what only seems to be healthy and good? -- Kids! Bringing about Armageddon can be dangerous. Do not attempt it in your own home | |
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| sleazyweazel | Posted: 2004-10-26 08:08 | |
Forum Apprentice United Kingdom 232 Posts | aiken: This would be totally regardless of the context in which the word(s) are used; for instance "I love Kubrick's film Lolita" or "Pedophile sentenced to jail" would have to go. Heck, if someone posts about measuring how far they walked using a "pedo meter", that would have to go. Why does Visa have a problem with Foot Fetishists?? Surely that is what is being referred to here, in the same paragraph as a Pedometer - a device for measuring how far one walks (Lt: pedes n. 'feet', metior vt. dep. 'I measure out')? Oh, hang on, but then a Pedo-phile could not mean a "lover of feet" as that as it would be a odd mix of a Latin noun with Greek verb (Gk: phileo vt. 'I love'). Akin to the equally shoddy neologism "poly-amorus" (a Greek prefix arbitrarlily cobbled to a Latin verb). Ah, now I understand! Visa obviously have a problem with Paedophiles (Gk: pais, paidos n. 'child', phileo vt. 'I love'), which makes far more sense given the reference to Nabakov's 'Lolita'. Hope this clears up any confusion, and that nobody has been as obtuse as myself. -- Graham Greene (1904-1991) | |
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| Pussy_Galorious | Posted: 2004-10-26 09:04 | |
Forum Maniac United Kingdom 2,521 Posts | sleazyweazel: aiken: This would be totally regardless of the context in which the word(s) are used; for instance "I love Kubrick's film Lolita" or "Pedophile sentenced to jail" would have to go. Heck, if someone posts about measuring how far they walked using a "pedo meter", that would have to go. Why does Visa have a problem with Foot Fetishists?? Surely that is what is being referred to here, in the same paragraph as a Pedometer - a device for measuring how far one walks (Lt: pedes n. 'feet', metior vt. dep. 'I measure out')? Oh, hang on, but then a Pedo-phile could not mean a "lover of feet" as that as it would be a odd mix of a Latin noun with Greek verb (Gk: phileo vt. 'I love'). Akin to the equally shoddy neologism "poly-amorus" (a Greek prefix arbitrarlily cobbled to a Latin verb). Ah, now I understand! Visa obviously have a problem with Paedophiles (Gk: pais, paidos n. 'child', phileo vt. 'I love'), which makes far more sense given the reference to Nabakov's 'Lolita'. Hope this clears up any confusion, and that nobody has been as obtuse as myself. -- Graham Greene (1904-1991) *sniggers* Yeah if you are going to block words from the site (sorry cite!) then it would be more effective if you could spell them correctly. Mind you, you would have to allow for people who don't spell them correctly or swap letters to get through the filter. French Connection UK must be shitting themselves....online sales will plummet! I am actually not convinced about Visas actions. Legitimate and monitored sites like this will obey by the rules but the illegitimate and really damaging sites won't. They'll be forced further underground, and more middlemen introduced to muddy the trail meaning that they can't repeat the success of Operation Ore (?) where paedophiles were trapped via credit card numbers. Obviously they are doing this for their own reputation and not to stop abuse of children etc. Does this affect buying from online adult toy stores, latex clothing stores etc? Where does it stop? Can I still use my Visa card for buying condoms and KY in Boots??? It's my freaking money and I am paying for the privilege convienience of using the card as it is! Inside every fat girl, is a thin girl and some chocolate How do I get to miss you less, see you more, I'd love to know you better. | |
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| NAQOYQATSI | Posted: 2004-10-26 12:58 | |
Forum Maniac United Kingdom 2,723 Posts | Makes you wonder how the town of Scunthorpe get away with anything on line considering ! And how about the town of Dildo. And I live just up the road from Pratts Bottom (honestly) Then there's Nether Wallop, Upper Wallop & Lower Wallop. they're all going to be in for a nasty shock at some point. I saw on a site today "If it wasnt for fences and walls we wouldn't need Windows & Gates" I guess we can add Visas onto that as well now. -- ICM aka Master Ice aka Dr DeMento Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimis exponebantur ad necem | |
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| Lordandmaster | Posted: 2004-10-27 07:45 | |
| Forum Slut United States 1,695 Posts | These are some pretty important points. Aiken, have you been in touch with the NCSF or ACLU? Or are you unwilling to risk having to go to court over this? Lam masterdave_wi: Basically, you need legal advice. VISA may have the right to restrict explicit discussion of clearly illegal acts, but there are (or should be) limits. For example, "Lolita" is the title of a classic novel and a proper name. Is VISA going to go after Amazon.com for using that word on their site to sell the book and the two movies based on it? If they can get away with censoring a proper name, can they censor "Dolores"? ("Lolita" is "short" for "Dolores"). What about "Bob" or "Mary"? Is there any limit to this? Is VISA going to be permitted to censor any discussion forum for crime victims or abuse victims that uses words that describe illegal acts? Clearly a law suit is in order and NCSF and ACLU either should help or stop asking for contributions. If this isn't a civil liberties issue, what is? | |
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| Maggie_Lynn | Posted: 2004-10-27 07:47 | |
Survivor United States 5,951 Posts | One thing I keep thinking... Does this mean that Visa is going to demand that their cards never be used to pay for any porn on the net???? I mean, like I've posted before... How many times have you opened your email and had a dozen in the junk folder for "hot teen sex" and things like that... and I'm sure those sites don't take IOU's as payment Aiken, I thank you for all your hard work. I'm sorry this bullshit is happening. This is one of the best sites I've ever belonged to. -- maggie http://www.lynns-world.com People don't behave the way they should; they behave the way they do. *~*~* To cause pain for any reason other than to give pleasure is the ONLY true perversion*~*~* Extremely happy Wookie Pet!! | |
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| Frank19 | Posted: 2004-10-27 08:41 | |
| Forum Initiate Germany 12 Posts | There are such a large number of posts on this thread, I haven't been able to read through them all. In relation to the Forbidden List - has someone pointed out that paedophile is misspelt? - or is pedophile the American spelling, and europeans are exempt from this banning? I find censorship amusing. It usually ends up disappearing up its own arse. I know of one court case in which a record company managed to get a court order to block discussion of the fact that it had banned a record - the result was that is managed to ban itself from defending its decision. And the Monty Python gang apparently had great fun holding meetings with the BBC where the BBC wanted certain words removed from their scripts. So they ended up horsetrading, saying such things as 'I'll trade you two shits for one fuck.' | |
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| NextGuard | Posted: 2004-10-27 11:08 | |
| Forum Maniac United States 4,896 Posts | Frank19: There are such a large number of posts on this thread, I haven't been able to read through them all. In relation to the Forbidden List - has someone pointed out that paedophile is misspelt? - or is pedophile the American spelling, and europeans are exempt from this banning? Since "pedo" is a keyword used commonly on the net, that keyword is commonly blocked when keyword blocking is implemented. If "xyz" were commonly used to represent underage sex then that would be a keyword likely to be blocked also. Edited by - NextGuard on 2004-10-27 12:07:38 | |
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| Sableagle | Posted: 2004-10-27 12:04 | |
Forum Maniac United Kingdom 7,202 Posts | References to Uranus in the Science forum had better go too, then, I suppose. | |
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| silkenglider | Posted: 2004-10-28 11:35 | |
Forum Slut 1,530 Posts | Pussy_Galorious:It's my freaking money and I am paying for the privilege convienience of using the card as it is! Except that it really isn't your money. VISA and other such unsecured lines of credit are allowing you to borrow their money, which you then pay back. Therefore, they're within their rights to restrict how that money is used. And if the money is used in a way they don't like, they're also within their rights to discontinue allowing their money to be borrowed by the entity using their money in a way they don't like. It sucks, but that's how it is. If they were to start saying you can't use your VISA check card to make those purchases, then the argument of "it's my money" would apply, but even then, VISA on the check card is a privilege they don't have to be extending. Further, if banks and money order places wanted to get in on the act, they could start saying that they won't honor checks and money orders made out to adult businesses, as their services are just that - services they provide, on which they can place any restrictions they like and if the customers don't like it, they can find another provider. It's too bad online retailers don't take cash, isn't it? Edited by - silkenglider on 2004-10-28 11:37:28 | |
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| mk | Posted: 2004-10-28 12:27 | |
I am adorkable! United States 4,567 Posts | fxxkmesexkitten: But heh thats your country man and you lot voted for the dweebs who uphold and enforce these laws! Er, not exactly. We didn't vote (at least not as a majority) for the dweeb-currently-in-charge, and we certainly weren't offered the opportunity to vote for the dweeb Ashcroft, who is the person brokering these "deals" with Visa. Oh, and we definitely don't get to vote on Visa's leadership and policies. The other problem is that this is basically a "safe" issue. Free speech notwithstanding, no politician or businessman in their right mind is going to speak out in favor of allowing open discussion of paedophilia on the internet. (And for you spelling wonks out there, both "pedophilia" and "paedophilia" are accepted spellings of the terms, with the latter being a primarily British construction.) The best hope is to get the smirking chimp out of office and hope that Kerry appoints an Attorney General who isn't on a religious crusade across America. And we're trying very hard to do that. -=mk=-
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| MERCILESS_TORMENTOR | Posted: 2004-10-29 13:36 | |
Forum Regular United States 531 Posts | aiken: Hi, everyone. There's a much longer story here than I want go get into, and perhaps I'll post the whole saga at some point, but please be warned that in the near future (like the next few days), we may need to remove any forum post and clear the contents of any personals profile, essay questions, etc, that mention the words "rape," "bestiality," "lolita," "pedophile," "pedo," or "necrophilia." This would be totally regardless of the context in which the word(s) are used; for instance "I love Kubrick's film Lolita" or "Pedophile sentenced to jail" would have to go. Heck, if someone posts about measuring how far they walked using a "pedo meter", that would have to go. Not to mention anything about fantasy rape, etc. We're at least as unhappy about it as I'm sure you'll be, but the fact of the matter is that it may well be a choice between taking this drastic action and just closing the site outright. This is a very scary time to be living in the United States, and we need to do what we can to maximize the chances of this community surviving. I will post again if and when this happens, but for now please be forewarned that we may need to do this at any moment, and if your profile has any of those words, in any context, I'd advise removing them to avoid having that section of your profile blanked. Cheers I bet your jackboot thugs posing as Moderators love this development. Gives them an even tighter grasp on their internet-based reality. And what about the business acumen of someone who starts a controversial for-profit operation and is surprised to see lawsuits...? LOL I just got served with papers for my THIRD lawsuit in nine months. My company won the first one and the second is pending but we should be okay. But yep...oh well, good luck! | |
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