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elk	Posted: 2006-05-11 20:35
Forum Regular United States 592 Posts	Some time ago I witnessed a short exibition of a two-flogger striking pattern I was told was a Florentine technique. The Dom had a flogger in each hand, and was striking alternately with each flogger in what appeared to me to be a figure 8 pattern similar to the Phillipino stick fighting technique known as Sinawalli ( I probably got it spelled wrong, but I'm sure someone here will correct it; besides, I'm too lazy right now to look it up. ) Anyway, although the technique demonstrated seemed visually impressive, I didn't see much need for it? Other then maybe to impress people at an exibition, but that sort of thing doesn't appeal to me. What are the advantages, if any, to going to the trouble of learning this technique? Does it send your sub/ slave flying into sub-space quicker, or higher? Inquiring Minds Want To Know These Things!! ( Yes, I know I used that line in my last topic. And, I'll probably keep on using it, until I think of something better. ) -- STRENGTH is the one virtue that allows all other virtues to exist.There is no way to know how many beautiful but delicate things have been born only to die,because they lacked the strength to survive.

DaeRaphael	Posted: 2006-05-12 17:22
Forum Initiate United States 35 Posts	When you are using two floggers in conjunction, either simultaneous or alternating, would cause a heightened sensation from a normal flagellation. With a single flogger, there will always be a pause as the next strike is aligned. This can create a wonderful rhythm giving a bit of recover time. I find that ambidexterous flagellation piles the single rhythm so while one whip is recovering, the other is striking. Yes, this decreases the recover time for the 'target,' however it will also allow for the thrower to double the physical contact. Through less force, the thrower can increase contact and impact on the 'target' while having more flexibility as to the areas of impact and rhythm. Though learning it is tough, using it is easy as it flows with your body motion. You can rain down 40 strokes in the time it took to land 10, having the strikes follow the heart beat. Alternatively, you can go slower, using the sensuality of music or the simple swoosh of the tails flit against the skin, dancing with licks on the flesh. Though it is visually impressive, the 'target' will feel an increased sensation of either the massage or pummelling. As for how fast sub-space is reached depends on the sub. If they react to pain, then you would know that once a level is achieved, keeping that pace would send them over. Instead of tiring one arm, use two. If a lighter touch is wanted, then the same goes. You can keep the same intensity with two arms as they will tire long after a single arm will. Intensity is the key, from my experience, to florentine. Just as throwing one whip is versitile in the varying ways it can be used, think of two thrown the same together or both varying in force. Just remember to have plenty of liquid available as both you and the bottom will be quite thirsty. -- Daemon Raphael Few things worth effort are done without trial.

elk	Posted: 2006-05-12 18:26
Forum Regular United States 592 Posts	DaeRaphael: When you are using two floggers in conjunction, either simultaneous or alternating, would cause a heightened sensation from a normal flagellation. With a single flogger, there will always be a pause as the next strike is aligned. This can create a wonderful rhythm giving a bit of recover time. I find that ambidexterous flagellation piles the single rhythm so while one whip is recovering, the other is striking. Yes, this decreases the recover time for the 'target,' however it will also allow for the thrower to double the physical contact. Through less force, the thrower can increase contact and impact on the 'target' while having more flexibility as to the areas of impact and rhythm. Though learning it is tough, using it is easy as it flows with your body motion. You can rain down 40 strokes in the time it took to land 10, having the strikes follow the heart beat. Alternatively, you can go slower, using the sensuality of music or the simple swoosh of the tails flit against the skin, dancing with licks on the flesh. Though it is visually impressive, the 'target' will feel an increased sensation of either the massage or pummelling. As for how fast sub-space is reached depends on the sub. If they react to pain, then you would know that once a level is achieved, keeping that pace would send them over. Instead of tiring one arm, use two. If a lighter touch is wanted, then the same goes. You can keep the same intensity with two arms as they will tire long after a single arm will. Intensity is the key, from my experience, to florentine. Just as throwing one whip is versitile in the varying ways it can be used, think of two thrown the same together or both varying in force. Just remember to have plenty of liquid available as both you and the bottom will be quite thirsty. -- Daemon Raphael Few things worth effort are done without trial. Thank you. I assume since you took the time and trouble to learn it, you feel it is worth learning. Are there specific situations when the Florentine method would be preferrable to using a single flogger? -- STRENGTH is the one virtue that allows all other virtues to exist.There is no way to know how many beautiful but delicate things have been born only to die,because they lacked the strength to survive.

Virchow	Posted: 2006-05-12 18:30
Sircastically yours United States 4,470 Posts	I thought Florentine flogging used spinach. -- "Well, look, Zaphod's just this guy you know?"

Midlandsman	Posted: 2006-05-12 18:34
Forum Initiate United Kingdom 7 Posts	DaeRaphael: When you are using two floggers in conjunction, either simultaneous or alternating, would cause a heightened sensation from a normal flagellation. Daemon Raphael Few things worth effort are done without trial. I agree, degrees of force can give the warming massaging feel to either prepare or bring down newt,i really enjoy using 2 floggers, it also changes the way im feeling at the time aswell, heightens the pleasure for me because of the way she reacts, maybe thats just me. Mids

hellagood	Posted: 2006-05-12 18:43
Forum Maniac United States 2,551 Posts	IMO, the tempo/rhythm is different but truthfully it didn't impress me much on the receiving end... Maybe that's just me. I know so many Doms that use 2 floggers in alternate succession anyway so I never quite got the flourish of it.... less so when I felt it, with florentine it seemed like the tempo of successive strikes was just a little different but not in an especially remarkable & good way. It always seemed much more a visually impressive thing - it is very pretty to watch - or a good way to mix things up a bit.

SoCalToyMan	Posted: 2006-05-12 19:10
Forum Initiate United States 26 Posts	95% of the time I use 2 floggers ... that being said I don't always do the flourentine pattern/ figure 8....I can vary the strike angle, intensity and rhythm to my desire. I don't do it for asthetics, but rather for me it helps me get into my rhythm . I can feel the music, and atmosphere better it seems when I am using two floggers. I will also at times do a florentine with 2 bull whips .

C-Ray	Posted: 2006-05-12 19:20
Forum Slut United States 1,447 Posts	I'd guess that for those who are attracted to highly stylized/ritualized play, there would be just that little extra from this. The type of folk who are attracted to Gorean play would probably also like this. -- I had a couple of elderly aunts, who would always poke me in the ribs at weddings saying, "You're next" I finally stopped this by doing the same to them, at funerals.

Leather-Bella	Posted: 2006-05-12 21:23
Forum Maniac 3,438 Posts	SoCalToyMan: 95% of the time I use 2 floggers ... that being said I don't always do the flourentine pattern/ figure 8....I can vary the strike angle, intensity and rhythm to my desire. I don't do it for asthetics, but rather for me it helps me get into my rhythm . I can feel the music, and atmosphere better it seems when I am using two floggers. I will also at times do a florentine with 2 bull whips . hmm 2 bull whips? What is the length of them? -- In order to receive, one first must be willing to give "Be good! at whatever you do" A true passion that burns within your soul is one that can never be put out. Edited by - champagne_ on 2006-05-12 21:46:51

paris_sub	Posted: 2006-05-12 21:40
Elegance&Perversion Moderator United States 1,221 Posts	You just described one of my very favorite flogging techniques. i have a beautifully balanced and matched set of elk floggers that i bought especially for this purpose. For me, flogging is just about like deep tissue massage, guaranteed to get me all warm and floaty and revved up to take more. The heavier, the thuddier, the better. i can take stingy and zappy later on. And the steady ryhthm that can be attained with the Florentine/ figure 8 technique is pretty much trance inducing. i find that after a 5 -10 minute warm up of this technique, i can go farther and take much more pain and intensity. When i meet a Top who knows what to do with my twin treasures (and i ain't talking about my bewbs here) i practically melt and just grin in anticipation. paris -- "i'm curious, i want to know and try everything. i want my brain, as well as all my holes, filled." - me, in a recent IM moment of profound enlightenment "This is not a dress rehearsal" - my mom check out my group: http://bondage.com/groups/10112/group.html paris_sub@yahoo.com

nina_de_la_diosa	Posted: 2006-05-12 21:56
Forum Slut Canada 1,429 Posts	As a bottom, florentine flogging lets me go further, faster than being flogged with a single flogger. Without the breaks in the rhythm, the flogging has more intensity. As a Top, I find that using this technique allows me to become more intently focused on what I'm doing, particularly if the background music is something that matches the beat of the flogging. Also, I don't seem to get tired as quickly...it's almost as if the rhythm energizes me...

Leather-Bella	Posted: 2006-05-12 22:04
Forum Maniac 3,438 Posts	Two hands one 'one' flogger is stronger and more intense = much nicer Florentine flogging is a good to wet the appetite -- In order to receive, one first must be willing to give "Be good! at whatever you do" A true passion that burns within your soul is one that can never be put out.

Finn``	Posted: 2006-05-12 22:21
Forum Maniac Canada 4,794 Posts	I find it looks impressive...like those Japanese chefs slicing and dicing...but I can get pretty much the same pace using one flogger. I use very little arm and mostly wrist motion. Holding the flogger near the end, you can get a good figure eight pattern and decent speed and accuracy. Im more accurate with a single flogger anyhow...If I had enough rhythm to use 2 floggers equally well..id probably be able to dance..lol. Anyhow...I treat a flogger like a big paintbrush..and mostly just pay attention to the target..If I used 2 at once..someone would loose an eye or something. having said all that..I got some serious forearm pump at the last play party...the heavy flogger at speed when used with mainly wrist can over work the forearms. -- "The two best feelings in the world are an empty bladder and a full tank of gas."

friendlygirl	Posted: 2006-05-14 19:23
Forum Apprentice United States 139 Posts	bump

elk	Posted: 2006-05-15 07:56
Forum Regular United States 592 Posts	Thank you, to everyone who responded to this topic. I guess, like Finn, I was concerned about accuracy as well. I like to pick my targets and my timing, and having to keep two floggers going without a very good reason seemed like it would be a bother. But, after reading the replies, I think it will end up being something worth exploring in the future. Right now, it appears to be like that odd tool in my toolbox; I don't use it very often, but when I need it, I need it. -- STRENGTH is the one virtue that allows all other virtues to exist.There is no way to know how many beautiful but delicate things have been born only to die,because they lacked the strength to survive.

beenwhipped	Posted: 2006-05-15 11:24
Forum Initiate United States 49 Posts	as a bottom with very little experence, i have recieved floggings with both one and 2 floggers, i realy enjoyed both experiences. the one problem that i had with 2 was accuracy, the femdom that was flogging me struck in a location that i deemed off limits, and the scene ended immediatly. one thing that i did find out after is that she was using floggers of different leanths, the dongen master at the club told me that it was a mistake on her part to do that. but i was in pure heaven untill the flogger came down on my lower back

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elk

Posted: 2006-05-11 20:35

Forum Regular

United States
592 Posts

Some time ago I witnessed a short exibition of a two-flogger striking pattern I was told was a Florentine technique. The Dom had a flogger in each hand, and was striking alternately with each flogger in what appeared to me to be a figure 8 pattern similar to the Phillipino stick fighting technique known as Sinawalli ( I probably got it spelled wrong, but I'm sure someone here will correct it; besides, I'm too lazy right now to look it up.

)
Anyway, although the technique demonstrated seemed visually impressive, I didn't see much need for it? Other then maybe to impress people at an exibition, but that sort of thing doesn't appeal to me.
What are the advantages, if any, to going to the trouble of learning this technique? Does it send your sub/ slave flying into sub-space quicker, or higher?
Inquiring Minds Want To Know These Things!! _big

( Yes, I know I used that line in my last topic. And, I'll probably keep on using it, until I think of something better. _tongue

)
--
STRENGTH is the one virtue that allows all other virtues to exist.There is no way to know how many beautiful but delicate things have been born only to die,because they lacked the strength to survive.

DaeRaphael

Posted: 2006-05-12 17:22

Forum Initiate

United States
35 Posts

When you are using two floggers in conjunction, either simultaneous or alternating, would cause a heightened sensation from a normal flagellation. With a single flogger, there will always be a pause as the next strike is aligned. This can create a wonderful rhythm giving a bit of recover time.

I find that ambidexterous flagellation piles the single rhythm so while one whip is recovering, the other is striking. Yes, this decreases the recover time for the 'target,' however it will also allow for the thrower to double the physical contact. Through less force, the thrower can increase contact and impact on the 'target' while having more flexibility as to the areas of impact and rhythm.

Though learning it is tough, using it is easy as it flows with your body motion. You can rain down 40 strokes in the time it took to land 10, having the strikes follow the heart beat.

Alternatively, you can go slower, using the sensuality of music or the simple swoosh of the tails flit against the skin, dancing with licks on the flesh. Though it is visually impressive, the 'target' will feel an increased sensation of either the massage or pummelling.

As for how fast sub-space is reached depends on the sub. If they react to pain, then you would know that once a level is achieved, keeping that pace would send them over. Instead of tiring one arm, use two. If a lighter touch is wanted, then the same goes. You can keep the same intensity with two arms as they will tire long after a single arm will.

Intensity is the key, from my experience, to florentine. Just as throwing one whip is versitile in the varying ways it can be used, think of two thrown the same together or both varying in force.

Just remember to have plenty of liquid available as both you and the bottom will be quite thirsty.
--
Daemon Raphael
Few things worth effort are done without trial.

elk

Posted: 2006-05-12 18:26

Forum Regular

United States
592 Posts

DaeRaphael:
When you are using two floggers in conjunction, either simultaneous or alternating, would cause a heightened sensation from a normal flagellation. With a single flogger, there will always be a pause as the next strike is aligned. This can create a wonderful rhythm giving a bit of recover time.

Though learning it is tough, using it is easy as it flows with your body motion. You can rain down 40 strokes in the time it took to land 10, having the strikes follow the heart beat.

Intensity is the key, from my experience, to florentine. Just as throwing one whip is versitile in the varying ways it can be used, think of two thrown the same together or both varying in force.

Just remember to have plenty of liquid available as both you and the bottom will be quite thirsty.
--
Daemon Raphael
Few things worth effort are done without trial.

Thank you.

I assume since you took the time and trouble to learn it, you feel it is worth learning. Are there specific situations when the Florentine method would be preferrable to using a single flogger?
--
STRENGTH is the one virtue that allows all other virtues to exist.There is no way to know how many beautiful but delicate things have been born only to die,because they lacked the strength to survive.

Virchow

Posted: 2006-05-12 18:30

Sircastically yours

United States
4,470 Posts

I thought Florentine flogging used spinach.
--
"Well, look, Zaphod's just this guy you know?"

Midlandsman

Posted: 2006-05-12 18:34

Forum Initiate

United Kingdom
7 Posts

DaeRaphael:
When you are using two floggers in conjunction, either simultaneous or alternating, would cause a heightened sensation from a normal flagellation.

Daemon Raphael
Few things worth effort are done without trial.

I agree, degrees of force can give the warming massaging feel to either prepare or bring down newt,i really enjoy using 2 floggers, it also changes the way im feeling at the time aswell, heightens the pleasure for me because of the way she reacts, maybe thats just me.

Mids

hellagood

Posted: 2006-05-12 18:43

Forum Maniac

United States
2,551 Posts

IMO, the tempo/rhythm is different but truthfully it didn't impress me much on the receiving end... Maybe that's just me.

I know so many Doms that use 2 floggers in alternate succession anyway so I never quite got the flourish of it.... less so when I felt it, with florentine it seemed like the tempo of successive strikes was just a little different but not in an especially remarkable & good way. It always seemed much more a visually impressive thing - it is very pretty to watch - or a good way to mix things up a bit.

SoCalToyMan

Posted: 2006-05-12 19:10

Forum Initiate

United States
26 Posts

95% of the time I use 2 floggers ... that being said I don't always do the flourentine pattern/ figure 8....I can vary the strike angle, intensity and rhythm to my desire. I don't do it for asthetics, but rather for me it helps me get into my rhythm . I can feel the music, and atmosphere better it seems when I am using two floggers. I will also at times do a florentine with 2 bull whips .

C-Ray

Posted: 2006-05-12 19:20

Forum Slut

United States
1,447 Posts

I'd guess that for those who are attracted to highly stylized/ritualized play, there would be just that little extra from this.

The type of folk who are attracted to Gorean play would probably also like this.
--
I had a couple of elderly aunts, who would always poke me in the ribs at weddings saying, "You're next"

I finally stopped this by doing the same to them, at funerals.

Leather-Bella

Posted: 2006-05-12 21:23

Forum Maniac

3,438 Posts

SoCalToyMan:
95% of the time I use 2 floggers ... that being said I don't always do the flourentine pattern/ figure 8....I can vary the strike angle, intensity and rhythm to my desire. I don't do it for asthetics, but rather for me it helps me get into my rhythm . I can feel the music, and atmosphere better it seems when I am using two floggers. I will also at times do a florentine with 2 bull whips .

hmm 2 bull whips? What is the length of them?

--
In order to receive, one first must be willing to give
"Be good! at whatever you do"
A true passion that burns within your soul is one that can never be put out.

Edited by - champagne_ on 2006-05-12 21:46:51

paris_sub

Posted: 2006-05-12 21:40

Elegance&Perversion
Moderator

United States
1,221 Posts

You just described one of my very favorite flogging techniques.
i have a beautifully balanced and matched set of elk floggers
that i bought especially for this purpose.
For me, flogging is just about like deep tissue massage,
guaranteed to get me all warm and floaty and revved up to take more.
The heavier, the thuddier, the better.
i can take stingy and zappy later on.
And the steady ryhthm that can be attained with the Florentine/ figure 8 technique
is pretty much trance inducing.
i find that after a 5 -10 minute warm up of this technique,
i can go farther and take much more pain and intensity.
When i meet a Top who knows what to do with my twin treasures
(and i ain't talking about my bewbs here) i practically melt
and just grin in anticipation.

paris
--
"i'm curious, i want to know and try everything. i want my brain, as well as all my holes, filled."
- me, in a recent IM moment of profound enlightenment

"This is not a dress rehearsal" - my mom
check out my group: http://bondage.com/groups/10112/group.html paris_sub@yahoo.com

nina_de_la_diosa

Posted: 2006-05-12 21:56

Forum Slut

Canada
1,429 Posts

As a bottom, florentine flogging lets me go further, faster than being flogged with a single flogger. Without the breaks in the rhythm, the flogging has more intensity.

As a Top, I find that using this technique allows me to become more intently focused on what I'm doing, particularly if the background music is something that matches the beat of the flogging. Also, I don't seem to get tired as quickly...it's almost as if the rhythm energizes me...

Leather-Bella

Posted: 2006-05-12 22:04

Forum Maniac

3,438 Posts

Two hands one 'one' flogger is stronger and more intense = much nicer
Florentine flogging is a good to wet the appetite _wink

--
In order to receive, one first must be willing to give
"Be good! at whatever you do"
A true passion that burns within your soul is one that can never be put out.

Finn``

Posted: 2006-05-12 22:21

Forum Maniac

Canada
4,794 Posts

I find it looks impressive...like those Japanese chefs slicing and dicing...but I can get pretty much the same pace using one flogger. I use very little arm and mostly wrist motion. Holding the flogger near the end, you can get a good figure eight pattern and decent speed and accuracy. Im more accurate with a single flogger anyhow...If I had enough rhythm to use 2 floggers equally well..id probably be able to dance..lol. Anyhow...I treat a flogger like a big paintbrush..and mostly just pay attention to the target..If I used 2 at once..someone would loose an eye or something.

having said all that..I got some serious forearm pump at the last play party...the heavy flogger at speed when used with mainly wrist can over work the forearms.
--

"The two best feelings in the world are an empty bladder and a full tank of gas."

friendlygirl

Posted: 2006-05-14 19:23

Forum Apprentice

United States
139 Posts

bump

elk

Posted: 2006-05-15 07:56

Forum Regular

United States
592 Posts

Thank you, to everyone who responded to this topic.

I guess, like Finn, I was concerned about accuracy as well. I like to pick my targets and my timing, and having to keep two floggers going without a very good reason seemed like it would be a bother. But, after reading the replies, I think it will end up being something worth exploring in the future. Right now, it appears to be like that odd tool in my toolbox; I don't use it very often, but when I need it, I need it.

--
STRENGTH is the one virtue that allows all other virtues to exist.There is no way to know how many beautiful but delicate things have been born only to die,because they lacked the strength to survive.

beenwhipped

Posted: 2006-05-15 11:24

Forum Initiate

United States
49 Posts

as a bottom with very little experence, i have recieved floggings with both one and 2 floggers, i realy enjoyed both experiences. the one problem that i had with 2 was accuracy, the femdom that was flogging me struck in a location that i deemed off limits, and the scene ended immediatly. one thing that i did find out after is that she was using floggers of different leanths, the dongen master at the club told me that it was a mistake on her part to do that. but i was in pure heaven untill the flogger came down on my lower back

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