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| saltydognh | Posted: 2006-07-30 06:14 | |
Forum Maniac United States 12,803 Posts | After flirting with the EU-3 on Nuclear issues for a long time and basically getting its way, Iran seems to be doing the same with the Lebanon/Hizbollah debacle, using it as a distraction and smoke screen. http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/viewpoints/articles/0723vipkittrie0723.html The big winner thus far in the clash between Hezbollah and Israel is Iran. Through attacks by its proxy, Hezbollah, Iran is deftly succeeding in distracting the world from the rapidly progressing Iranian nuclear weapons program. Iran's success brings it one step closer to one of its ultimate goals. That goal is America's destruction. As Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has starkly put it: "God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States. . . . This goal is attainable, and surely can be achieved." Why does Iran want to destroy the United States? Because the United States is the foremost purveyor of Western culture. Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, wants to root out Western culture because it is contrary to Islam and in his view directs "everyone toward materialism while money, gluttony and carnal desires are made the greatest aspiration." As Khamenei put it in an interview in May 2004: "The source of all human torment and suffering is the 'liberal democracy' promoted by the West." Iranian President Ahmadinejad claims he was divinely given the presidency for a single task: provoking a "clash of civilizations" wherein the Muslim world, led by Iran, defeats the "infidel" West, led by the United States, and thereby hastens the return of the "Hidden Imam," a messiah-like figure. According to Hassan Abbassi, chief strategist for the Iranian Revolutionary Guards: "We have a strategy drawn up for the destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization . . . There are 29 sensitive sites in the U.S. and in the West . . . We know how we are going to attack them . . . Anything that can be done to terrorize and create fright in the infidel camp is our privilege and honor. . . We have to uproot liberal democracy from the face of the world."
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| Warlordwrites | Posted: 2006-07-30 06:52 | |
Forum Maniac United States 2,361 Posts | saltydognh: After flirting with the EU-3 on Nuclear issues for a long time and basically getting its way, Iran seems to be doing the same with the Lebanon/Hizbollah debacle, using it as a distraction and smoke screen. http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/viewpoints/articles/0723vipkittrie0723.html The big winner thus far in the clash between Hezbollah and Israel is Iran. Through attacks by its proxy, Hezbollah, Iran is deftly succeeding in distracting the world from the rapidly progressing Iranian nuclear weapons program. Iran's success brings it one step closer to one of its ultimate goals. That goal is America's destruction. As Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has starkly put it: "God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States. . . . This goal is attainable, and surely can be achieved." Why does Iran want to destroy the United States? Because the United States is the foremost purveyor of Western culture. Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, wants to root out Western culture because it is contrary to Islam and in his view directs "everyone toward materialism while money, gluttony and carnal desires are made the greatest aspiration." As Khamenei put it in an interview in May 2004: "The source of all human torment and suffering is the 'liberal democracy' promoted by the West." Iranian President Ahmadinejad claims he was divinely given the presidency for a single task: provoking a “clash of civilizations” wherein the Muslim world, led by Iran, defeats the “infidel” West, led by the United States, and thereby hastens the return of the “Hidden Imam,” a messiah-like figure. According to Hassan Abbassi, chief strategist for the Iranian Revolutionary Guards: “We have a strategy drawn up for the destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization . . . There are 29 sensitive sites in the U.S. and in the West . . . We know how we are going to attack them . . . Anything that can be done to terrorize and create fright in the infidel camp is our privilege and honor. . . We have to uproot liberal democracy from the face of the world." Greetings The leaders of the United States and Iran both believe in The Rapture - that's comforting, NOT! This kind of whacko self delusion is why its ultimately dangerous to allow theocracy to lead your country. Give me a cynical atheist every time instead of these overly-pious Neo-Con Fucking crusades will be the death of all of us Enjoy the journey WarLord
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| whipHer | Posted: 2006-07-30 06:59 | |
Forum Maniac United States 16,155 Posts | Warlordwrites: saltydognh: After flirting with the EU-3 on Nuclear issues for a long time and basically getting its way, Iran seems to be doing the same with the Lebanon/Hizbollah debacle, using it as a distraction and smoke screen. http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/viewpoints/articles/0723vipkittrie0723.html The big winner thus far in the clash between Hezbollah and Israel is Iran. Through attacks by its proxy, Hezbollah, Iran is deftly succeeding in distracting the world from the rapidly progressing Iranian nuclear weapons program. Iran's success brings it one step closer to one of its ultimate goals. That goal is America's destruction. As Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has starkly put it: "God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States. . . . This goal is attainable, and surely can be achieved." Why does Iran want to destroy the United States? Because the United States is the foremost purveyor of Western culture. Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, wants to root out Western culture because it is contrary to Islam and in his view directs "everyone toward materialism while money, gluttony and carnal desires are made the greatest aspiration." As Khamenei put it in an interview in May 2004: "The source of all human torment and suffering is the 'liberal democracy' promoted by the West." Iranian President Ahmadinejad claims he was divinely given the presidency for a single task: provoking a “clash of civilizations” wherein the Muslim world, led by Iran, defeats the “infidel” West, led by the United States, and thereby hastens the return of the “Hidden Imam,” a messiah-like figure. According to Hassan Abbassi, chief strategist for the Iranian Revolutionary Guards: “We have a strategy drawn up for the destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization . . . There are 29 sensitive sites in the U.S. and in the West . . . We know how we are going to attack them . . . Anything that can be done to terrorize and create fright in the infidel camp is our privilege and honor. . . We have to uproot liberal democracy from the face of the world." Greetings The leaders of the United States and Iran both believe in The Rapture - that's comforting, NOT! This kind of whacko self delusion is why its ultimately dangerous to allow theocracy to lead your country. Give me a cynical atheist every time instead of these overly-pious Neo-Con Fucking crusades will be the death of all of us Enjoy the journey WarLord
a little History http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/nuke.htm [quote][reported in the Washington Post on 30 August, Democratic vice presidential nominee John Edwards proposed a "Grand Bargain" with Iran, under which the US would drop objections to the nuclear power reactor at Bushehr, in exchange for Iran abandoning the material production complex. According to Edwards, if Iran rejected this offer, it would confirm that it was building atomic bombs. Edwards also said that Kerry would ensure that European allies would join the US in imposing sanctions on Iran. "If we are engaging with Iranians in an effort to reach this great bargain and if in fact this is a bluff that they are trying to develop nuclear weapons capability, then we know that our European friends will stand with us," Edwards said. "Iran is further along in developing a nuclear weapon than they were when George Bush came into office... A nuclear Iran is unacceptable for so many reasons, including the possibility that it creates a gateway and the need for other countries in the region to develop nuclear capability -- Saudi Arabia, Egypt, potentially others," Edwards said.
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| inquisitor | Posted: 2006-07-30 08:02 | |
Forum Maniac Ireland 6,869 Posts | So, salty, you're saying the US funded Israeli terrorism proves Iran is suckering the EU? Right. You've not been at the rum again, have you? Edited by - inquisitor on 2006-07-30 07:59:58 | |
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| Dom_du_Jour | Posted: 2006-07-30 09:26 | |
| Forum Apprentice United States 225 Posts | saltydognh: Iran's success brings it one step closer to one of its ultimate goals. That goal is America's destruction. As Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has starkly put it: God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States.
What about this do many just not get ??? Diploimacy just doesn't cut it when you have someone set out for your destruction. In civil courts, people who make threats like this are locked away, to keep the public as a whole safe from them. Yet when we are talking an entire movement, somehow some people think you can negotiate this desire from these people ??? What about "I am going to kill you" don't some people get ??? | |
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| inquisitor | Posted: 2006-07-30 09:57 | |
Forum Maniac Ireland 6,869 Posts | Dom_du_Jour: What about this do many just not get ??? Diploimacy just doesn't cut it when you have someone set out for your destruction. In civil courts, people who make threats like this are locked away, to keep the public as a whole safe from them. Yet when we are talking an entire movement, somehow some people think you can negotiate this desire from these people ??? What about "I am going to kill you" don't some people get ??? Do you really believe everything you read? Everything a politician says? Really?! Hey, I inherited thirty million dollars from my parents who were killed in a plane accident, but I can't access the bank account. I just need someone in the states to send me a hundred thousand dollars, then I can get to the account, and we can split the money 50/50.
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| Dom_du_Jour | Posted: 2006-07-30 16:05 | |
| Forum Apprentice United States 225 Posts | inquisitor: Do you really believe everything you read? Everything a politician says? You did notice I quoted those making the threats that were quoted in the article. If some friggin goofball Arab who lived in friggin Afghanistan had said back in June of 2001 that one day he was going to fly planes into the WTC in New York, do you think maybe we should have listened, or just blown him off too ??? | |
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| Strict71 | Posted: 2006-07-30 16:19 | |
Forum Slut Greece 1,017 Posts | Iran's government is a pain in the ass, and dangerous. It is very strange, considering the huge percentage of young people in Iran that are pro-west. If I am not mistaken, over 60% of Iran is under the age of 40 or so. BTW, with the exception of religion, they are still considered persians by many, not arabs. Do I think Iran needs some kicking in the ass? Yes. They should overthrow their government and get real. -- strict71@yahoo.com Greek-American, Capricorn, 34 | |
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| saltydognh | Posted: 2006-07-30 16:42 | |
Forum Maniac United States 12,803 Posts | inquisitor: So, salty, you're saying the US funded Israeli terrorism proves Iran is suckering the EU? Right. You've not been at the rum again, have you? Edited by - inquisitor on 2006-07-30 07:59:58 Nice jump, I must admit And no, the Goslings has been safe. Clearly you have your preconceived bias though, and Its nice of you to state them here. S -- | |
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| inquisitor | Posted: 2006-07-30 22:45 | |
Forum Maniac Ireland 6,869 Posts | saltydognh: inquisitor: So, salty, you're saying the US funded Israeli terrorism proves Iran is suckering the EU? Right. You've not been at the rum again, have you? Edited by - inquisitor on 2006-07-30 07:59:58 Nice jump, I must admit And no, the Goslings has been safe. Clearly you have your preconceived bias though, and Its nice of you to state them here. S Well, yes, there is a tradition in the UK that anyone into sailing is also into rum, because the Royal Navy used to issue it as part of a sailor's rations, so I suppose I do have a preconceived bias. Is there no similar tradition in the US Navy? Amongst US sailing folk? Edited by - inquisitor on 2006-07-30 22:55:32 | |
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| HardPlay | Posted: 2006-07-30 23:00 | |
Agent of Karma United States 16,186 Posts | inquisitor: Well, yes, there is a tradition in the UK that anyone into sailor is also into rum, because the Royal Navy used to issue it as part of a sailor's rations, so I suppose I do have a preconceived bias. Is there no similar tradition in the US Navy? Amongst US sailing folk? Actually, no. Not only did the American Navy permanently abolish rations of spirits to its sailors in 1862 (108 years earlier than the Brits), they had previously changed to serving rye whiskey rather than rum. When watered and mixed with citrus, like the British Grog, it was refered to as Bob Smith, in honor of the 2nd Sec. of the Navy, Robert Smith who made the change to rye. Given the early demise of spirits on board....there is much less a tradition of drink in modern American maritime circles. So I ask my fellow Senators, are we really that frightened of somebody's willingness to go out and be stupid? In the United States of America, you have a right to be stupid."--John Kerry | |
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| Paulnz | Posted: 2006-07-31 01:30 | |
| Forum Maniac Uruguay 24,359 Posts | ILikeHardPlay: inquisitor: Well, yes, there is a tradition in the UK that anyone into sailor is also into rum, because the Royal Navy used to issue it as part of a sailor's rations, so I suppose I do have a preconceived bias. Is there no similar tradition in the US Navy? Amongst US sailing folk? Actually, no. Not only did the American Navy permanently abolish rations of spirits to its sailors in 1862 (108 years earlier than the Brits), they had previously changed to serving rye whiskey rather than rum. When watered and mixed with citrus, like the British Grog, it was refered to as Bob Smith, in honor of the 2nd Sec. of the Navy, Robert Smith who made the change to rye. Given the early demise of spirits on board....there is much less a tradition of drink in modern American maritime circles. The New Zealand Navy was, I believe, the last Navy to do away with the daily rum ration, ceasing in 1990. | |
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| HardPlay | Posted: 2006-07-31 01:47 | |
Agent of Karma United States 16,186 Posts | Paulnz: The New Zealand Navy was, I believe, the last Navy to do away with the daily rum ration, ceasing in 1990. Not that the NZ Navy is exactly one of the world's great naval powers... So I ask my fellow Senators, are we really that frightened of somebody's willingness to go out and be stupid? In the United States of America, you have a right to be stupid."--John Kerry | |
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| Paulnz | Posted: 2006-07-31 01:56 | |
| Forum Maniac Uruguay 24,359 Posts | ILikeHardPlay: Paulnz: The New Zealand Navy was, I believe, the last Navy to do away with the daily rum ration, ceasing in 1990. Not that the NZ Navy is exactly one of the world's great naval powers... That's two frigates. But what has the naval strength got to do with when the rum ration was discontinued ? ( oh and our Navy was in action long before the USA saw any service in WW2, Battle of River Plate and all that ). Edited by - Paulnz on 2006-07-31 02:00:21 | |
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