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| M_O | Posted: 2009-12-24 19:05 | |
Forum Maniac United States 4,497 Posts | I you haven't seen the delightful Expialidocious, I highly recommend it. The author(?) has taken pieces of Mary Poppins and used the inherent rhythm and tonality of spoken English discourse to create music from reassembled bits of prose. He's added explicit musical elements, but the core of the project is to create music from spoken prose discourse. What I find so fascinating about this is the emergence of semantic content in something that has no referential content--it's gibberish, but somehow meaning emerges. I'm heavily influenced by Paul Hopper's work on emergent grammar (Hopper 1987), and see something of that here. Hopper argues that the "lexical rules and items" model of language (generative, transformational grammar, etc.), where speakers use existing syntax rules to assemble lexical items on the fly, is wrong. Grammar instead according to Hopper, is emergent, negotiated in real time between speakers, dependent on uptake, and reusing prior discourse patterns, and thus affirming, changing or innovating new discourse patters. One of the things I love about Hopper is that unlike people like Chomsky, who make up data through introspection ("green sheep sleep furiously), EG researchers like Hopper use actual data (in his case, most often the Santa Barbara corpus) to support findings. Hopper's research focuses on the sentence level of grammar, mine on the semantic and pragmatic level of language. When I hear Expialidocious, or listen to music from Girltalk, I see a level of explicitness in the reuse of previous discourse to create (in real time) new meaning, that strikes me as emergent. I feel like I'm seeing a very poetic example of emergent semantic meaning. Heart like a Gabriel, pure and white as ivory. Soul like a Lucifer, black and cold like a piece of lead. Misguided Angel, love you 'til I'm dead. | |
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| TallandOlder | Posted: 2009-12-26 10:13 | |
Forum Regular United States 769 Posts | M_O: I you haven't seen the delightful Expialidocious, I highly recommend it. The author(?) has taken pieces of Mary Poppins and used the inherent rhythm and tonality of spoken English discourse to create music from reassembled bits of prose. He's added explicit musical elements, but the core of the project is to create music from spoken prose discourse. What I find so fascinating about this is the emergence of semantic content in something that has no referential content--it's gibberish, but somehow meaning emerges. I'm heavily influenced by Paul Hopper's work on emergent grammar (Hopper 1987), and see something of that here. Hopper argues that the "lexical rules and items" model of language (generative, transformational grammar, etc.), where speakers use existing syntax rules to assemble lexical items on the fly, is wrong. Grammar instead according to Hopper, is emergent, negotiated in real time between speakers, dependent on uptake, and reusing prior discourse patterns, and thus affirming, changing or innovating new discourse patters. One of the things I love about Hopper is that unlike people like Chomsky, who make up data through introspection ("green sheep sleep furiously), EG researchers like Hopper use actual data (in his case, most often the Santa Barbara corpus) to support findings. Hopper's research focuses on the sentence level of grammar, mine on the semantic and pragmatic level of language. When I hear Expialidocious, or listen to music from Girltalk, I see a level of explicitness in the reuse of previous discourse to create (in real time) new meaning, that strikes me as emergent. I feel like I'm seeing a very poetic example of emergent semantic meaning. Heart like a Gabriel, pure and white as ivory. Soul like a Lucifer, black and cold like a piece of lead. Misguided Angel, love you 'til I'm dead. I tried the Expialidocious link and only was able to get a youtube 'sign in' page. Looks like something only youtube account holders can view. | |
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| C-Ray | Posted: 2009-12-26 11:05 | |
Forum Slut  United States 1,446 Posts | TallandOlder: I tried the Expialidocious link and only was able to get a youtube 'sign in' page. Looks like something only youtube account holders can view. After signing in, it said that the video was private. I suspect it's only available to people who are listed as 'friends' of the poster. Running a search on the site didn't turn up an obvious alternative. I had a couple of elderly aunts, who would always poke me in the ribs at weddings saying, "You're next" I finally stopped this by doing the same to them, at funerals. | |
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| M_O | Posted: 2009-12-26 12:14 | |
Forum Maniac United States 4,497 Posts | I am so, so very unhappy right now. I signed out of youtube and then back in again, and now the video is blocked for me as well. Curses. -- Heart like a Gabriel, pure and white as ivory. Soul like a Lucifer, black and cold like a piece of lead. Misguided Angel, love you 'til I'm dead. | |
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| CaethesEi | Posted: 2009-12-26 15:49 | |
Forum Maniac  United States 2,895 Posts | Something along those lines was done with recreating music from Mesopotamia. It was beautiful, but, surprisingly, had a the melody we'd associate with a children's song today. The instrument also sounded like a harmonium. M_O: I you haven't seen the delightful Expialidocious, I highly recommend it. The author(?) has taken pieces of Mary Poppins and used the inherent rhythm and tonality of spoken English discourse to create music from reassembled bits of prose. He's added explicit musical elements, but the core of the project is to create music from spoken prose discourse. What I find so fascinating about this is the emergence of semantic content in something that has no referential content--it's gibberish, but somehow meaning emerges. I'm heavily influenced by Paul Hopper's work on emergent grammar (Hopper 1987), and see something of that here. Hopper argues that the "lexical rules and items" model of language (generative, transformational grammar, etc.), where speakers use existing syntax rules to assemble lexical items on the fly, is wrong. Grammar instead according to Hopper, is emergent, negotiated in real time between speakers, dependent on uptake, and reusing prior discourse patterns, and thus affirming, changing or innovating new discourse patters. One of the things I love about Hopper is that unlike people like Chomsky, who make up data through introspection ("green sheep sleep furiously), EG researchers like Hopper use actual data (in his case, most often the Santa Barbara corpus) to support findings. Hopper's research focuses on the sentence level of grammar, mine on the semantic and pragmatic level of language. When I hear Expialidocious, or listen to music from Girltalk, I see a level of explicitness in the reuse of previous discourse to create (in real time) new meaning, that strikes me as emergent. I feel like I'm seeing a very poetic example of emergent semantic meaning. Heart like a Gabriel, pure and white as ivory. Soul like a Lucifer, black and cold like a piece of lead. Misguided Angel, love you 'til I'm dead. | |
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| C-Ray | Posted: 2009-12-26 21:21 | |
Forum Slut United States 1,446 Posts | CaethesEi: Something along those lines was done with recreating music from Mesopotamia. It was beautiful, but, surprisingly, had a the melody we'd associate with a children's song today. The instrument also sounded like a harmonium. Sounds quite nice. Some of the prettiest music, to me, has that children's song type melody you speak of. Not sure if that's because it hooks you into a simpler, less complicated time in your life. Or if it just becomes more about a pretty piece of music and less about the author trying to show how clever they are. I had a couple of elderly aunts, who would always poke me in the ribs at weddings saying, "You're next" I finally stopped this by doing the same to them, at funerals. | |
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| M_O | Posted: 2009-12-27 17:49 | |
Forum Maniac United States 4,497 Posts | Ok, I found an alternate version of the video, in this Expialidocious Sample Count. There's a graphic over the video (the poster tried to count the number of total/separate samples in the track) which is pretty annoying, but the audio is untouched. -- Heart like a Gabriel, pure and white as ivory. Soul like a Lucifer, black and cold like a piece of lead. Misguided Angel, love you 'til I'm dead. | |
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| Kamasushi | Posted: 2009-12-28 01:21 | |
Forum Regular United States 689 Posts | M_O: Ok, I found an alternate version of the video, in this Expialidocious Sample Count. There's a graphic over the video (the poster tried to count the number of total/separate samples in the track) which is pretty annoying, but the audio is untouched. Here ya go! This has the audio only. The video, for whatever reason, is linked to the original Youtube that you linked to in the first posting. | |
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| rubberterrorist | Posted: 2009-12-31 11:42 | |
| Forum Maniac United States 2,549 Posts | M_O: Ok, I found an alternate version of the video, in this Expialidocious Sample Count. There's a graphic over the video (the poster tried to count the number of total/separate samples in the track) which is pretty annoying, but the audio is untouched. -- Heart like a Gabriel, pure and white as ivory. Soul like a Lucifer, black and cold like a piece of lead. Misguided Angel, love you 'til I'm dead. That's fucking awesome. -rt | |
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| TallandOlder | Posted: 2009-12-31 11:51 | |
Forum Regular United States 769 Posts | That was very fun, M_O!
Edited by - TallandOlder on 2009-12-31 11:52:37 Edited by - TallandOlder on 2009-12-31 11:56:03 | |
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| TallandOlder | Posted: 2009-12-31 11:55 | |
Forum Regular United States 769 Posts | Here's another link that doesn't have the numbers, that worked for me. | |
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| M_O | Posted: 2009-12-31 15:42 | |
Forum Maniac United States 4,497 Posts | Thanks for the links folk. Does anyone else see the possibility that meaning (semantics) might be emergent in this, i.e. not depending on grammar? -- Heart like a Gabriel, pure and white as ivory. Soul like a Lucifer, black and cold like a piece of lead. Misguided Angel, love you 'til I'm dead. | |
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