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| Access_Denied | Posted: 2010-01-12 21:27 | |
Forum Initiate United States 4 Posts | So, I've been chatting with a few girls on my campus about sex. We began to discuss fantasies, and we all began to realize that we weren't alone in fantasizing about rape. I've been wondering, what is it about rape that gets us so hot? Is it the loss of control? Is it being degraded? Is it a psychological thing? I'm just wondering if anyone out there has any theories. Please, spill! Thanks. Access_Denied | |
| Dkyle | Posted: 2010-01-12 22:59 | |
Forum Maniac United States 3,777 Posts | Access_Denied: So, I've been chatting with a few girls on my campus about sex. We began to discuss fantasies, and we all began to realize that we weren't alone in fantasizing about rape. I've been wondering, what is it about rape that gets us so hot? Is it the loss of control? Is it being degraded? Is it a psychological thing? I'm just wondering if anyone out there has any theories. Please, spill! Thanks. Access_Denied In both surveys of sexual fantasies and clinical experiene, rape is an altogether commomplace sexaul fantasy. As for a theory -- there are so many possible sources, ranging from evolutionary biology to cultural influences, that I think it's almost a meaningless excerise to get very serious about the origin of it (although speculating about it can be interesting). My own guess would that it's involved with the fact that, a deep cultural level, there's still a great deal of guilt associated with sexual pleasure. At the level of fantansy (an important qualification) rape is totally guilt-free for a woman. The weakness of that idea is that it would seem to require that a completely different mechanism would have to be involved to explain men's fantasies. And welcome to the forums ... :-) --David
Whenever death may surprise us, let it be welcome if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear and another hand reaches out to take up our arms. -- Che Guevara To revolt is a natural tendency of life. Even a worm turns against the foot that crushes it. In general, the vitality and relative dignity of an animal can be measured by the intensity of its instinct to revolt. -- Mikhail Bakunin Edited by - Dkyle on 2010-01-12 23:01:09 | |
| SlaveseeksOwners | Posted: 2010-01-13 08:56 | |
Forum Initiate United Kingdom 20 Posts | Rape is certainly a fairly common fantasy for both men and women. My opinion is that it is, yes, to do with releasing the guilt which can be associated with sex. But its also a power exchange theme. As so many of us in bdsm want to do, at least to some extent, its about giving over total control of your body and sex to another person, who will use you simply to satisfy their own desires. That is pretty primal. And, of course, the fantasy does not mean you actually want to be raped in real life! It is a fantasy, and like many in bdsm, it is the sub who really has the control here, in choosing if and with whom and even in what way they want to make it a reality. -- The best way to find love and happiness is to love and be happy. | |
| velvetgirl1 | Posted: 2010-01-13 18:40 | |
Forum Regular United States 596 Posts | I've had rape fantasies since I was a very little girl. They've only gotten more complex and hotter as I've gotten older. I know for certain that for me it has to do with two primary needs. The first is to be overpowered physically by a man. I'm one of those strong, confident, in control women in the vanilla world. I desperately desire a man to physically overtake me and force himself upon me. The other is that a rapist can make me do whatever he wants (read that whatever I want), because of course I can't be held responsible for anything because he'll kill me if I don't do what he says. I often add a twist to these fantasies so that at some point the rapist realizes that I am actually enjoying the things he is forcing me to do. It works with or without this twist, but sometimes the humiliation and shame at being found out make it even hotter. But, that's just me. -- "She makes love just like a woman Yes she does But she breaks just like a little girl." - Dylan Edited by - velvetgirl1 on 2010-01-13 18:42:11 Edited by - velvetgirl1 on 2010-01-13 18:43:29 | |
| Themistokles | Posted: 2010-01-13 19:06 | |
Forum Slut Moderator United States 1,406 Posts | Marianne Noble lists three "psychological traits associated with masochism":
The second one -- fear of intimacy -- was a surprise, but then I thought of all the masochistic fantasies about rapists and vampires, forceful, penetrating fantasies. I think there are women who want to be intimate but aren't comfortable opening up to intimacy, so they long for a forceful figure, a demon lover or vampire or rapist who will force her to open up to him. When a rapist forces his victim to do what he wants her to do, he -- in the fantasy -- gives the victim what she wants and fears. Someone who has "a particularly emphatic sense of individuated selfhood" is someone who feels independent; she knows who she is, she knows there's no one like her, she feels unique. Sometimes she might feel special, in an enchanted way, and sometimes she feels alone, in a dejected way. Her sense of self is so pronounced that she is always aware of how different she is from others, and she feels isolated. So she daydreams about dominant figures who will overwhelm her, take her away from herself, make her forget her name, her face, the clawing boundaries of her body, her distances. She wants to encounter a force that will demand she give herself to it, holding nothing back, until she opens and aches and loses herself. Until she loses her self, the self that can be so beautiful, the self that can be such a burden. | |
| MissBent | Posted: 2010-01-13 20:04 | |
Forum Regular United States 904 Posts | rape fantasies aren't just a part of the female venue --- there are many males around who have rape fantasies. for at least some of them, the genesis of the rape fantasy was more in line with the idea of someone 'forcing' them to do that which they would really love to do voluntarily but just may not be there yet. however, as usual, ymmv. i am certainly sure that covers only a small portion of the rape fantasy population.... Some cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go. Oscar Wilde If the man doesn't believe as we do, we say he is a crank, and that settles it. I mean, it does nowadays, because now we can't burn him. Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens) --Life is good | |
| Abductor | Posted: 2010-01-13 20:04 | |
Forum Maniac United States 3,216 Posts | Shut up and get in the van. | |
| Dr_M_E_Pain | Posted: 2010-01-14 00:26 | |
Sadistic. United States 2,808 Posts | I think there are different reasons for different people. I've done thousands of fantasy rapes over the past 35 years. I've definitely known women for whom it was a way to get around guilt associated with sex. I knew one - described in my blog - for whom it was a way to get around panic attacks associated with orgasm. I've known others for whom it was clearly a way to have physical intimacy without emotional intimacy and others for whom it was a way to validate that 'he truly wants me'. I've also known at least one for whom it was a way to satisfy me sexually when she knew she would rarely desire to have sex. I'm certain there are more reasons and I'm equally as certain these reasons are combined in various ways in different women. Since I love doing this fantasy, I'm glad these women exist. Now if I could just find one I'm attracted to locally... -- About fucking time I changed this. | |
| wanderingcelt | Posted: 2010-01-14 01:44 | |
| Forum Apprentice United States 364 Posts | Themistokles: The second one -- fear of intimacy -- was a surprise, but then I thought of all the masochistic fantasies about rapists and vampires, forceful, penetrating fantasies. I think there are women who want to be intimate but aren't comfortable opening up to intimacy, so they long for a forceful figure, a demon lover or vampire or rapist who will force her to open up to him. When a rapist forces his victim to do what he wants her to do, he -- in the fantasy -- gives the victim what she wants and fears. Perhaps for some, perhaps for me because you could put me on either side of a rape fantasy at times, it's more direct than that. To fear intimacy and yet still want it, when intimacy feels like an assault on the self, is to fear and yet to want rape (metaphorically at least), which is also an assault on the self. We use rape as a metaphor all the time. Why should we not use its enactment and a physical metaphor for conflicted feelings about intimacy and identity? Perhaps through a simulation of rape there is some emotional truth to be discovered about the demands of intimacy. | |
| clampsandwax | Posted: 2010-01-14 04:16 | |
Forum Maniac United States 3,327 Posts | I think it all goes back to the Cave man and woman. For millions of years The cave man was stronger than the cave woman.. When the cave man wanted sex he would simply grab the cave woman by the hair, and drag her back to his cave to have his way with her. The Human species has been on earth for millions of years..Civilization has only been around for 5,000 years or less. Language is part of the problem too. Before there was language it was survival of the fittest.. the stronger, taller, heavier, more intelligent males had an advantage in successfully mating with the female of the species.. I sort of think that after millions of years of evolution certain traits are hard wired into human beings .. like the desire for rough sex. To a certain extent modern culture is in denial about what people really want and who they really are. In an effort to protect people from themselves and each other we have created a system where many people are living a lie.. In the last 2,000 years the System that started with the Romans been very successful at creating a modern civilization. The people are almost expected to be like mandroids or robots.. good workers and perfect model husbands and wives ..Modern civilization goes against millions of years of evolution.. Hundreds of millions of people sit in a cubicle like on the tv show "The office" rather than going out hunting and gathering for a few hours, then screwing women all day.. There are lots of advantages to modern culture, and society..but...Sex is still hard wired to be a very powerful motivator.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_fantasy http://www.londonfetishscene.com/wipi/index.php/Rape_fantasy -- Fortune favors the bold. or Fortune favors the Italics on a Ducati Edited by - clampsandwax on 2010-01-14 04:25:07 | |
| MrMorris | Posted: 2010-01-14 12:46 | |
| Forum Initiate United Kingdom 4 Posts | Access_Denied: So, I've been chatting with a few girls on my campus about sex. We began to discuss fantasies, and we all began to realize that we weren't alone in fantasizing about rape. I've been wondering, what is it about rape that gets us so hot? Is it the loss of control? Is it being degraded? Is it a psychological thing? I'm just wondering if anyone out there has any theories. Please, spill! Thanks. Access_Denied There do seem to be a range of factors which make this fantasy appeal to many people, some of them perhaps built into the psyche of the individual. On a more basic level however there is the fact that the "victim" can completely relinquish control and immerse themselves in the experience without having to make any conscious effort to be desirable or to please a partner. It has the appeal of feeling desired in an uncontrollable way and also in a purely physical sense P.S When I say "without having to make any conscious effort to be desirable or to please" I don't mean to imply that rape fantasies are for lazy people. Edited by - BottyWhacker on 2010-01-14 12:51:10 Edited by - BottyWhacker on 2010-01-14 16:42:19 | |
| Picplayer | Posted: 2010-01-14 15:47 | |
Forum Initiate United States 1 Posts | I think the world we live in today looks down upon a woman who really enjoys sex and being used by a man. The rape fantasy takes away that guilt and judgement from the woman (helpless?) and places on the man, however both need to enjoy it for it to really work. Perhaps there is a component of performance too? | |
| ArabSlaveGirl | Posted: 2010-01-14 17:05 | |
Forum Maniac United Kingdom 4,027 Posts | A friend once worried that she had these fantasies and she thought she was sick in the head until I told her I have the same fantasies and so do millions of women...she was so relieved. My particular fantasy was always based around the vikings, seriously....I learned about them during a history lesson at "little" school...bloodthirsty savages who stole our women (and raped our sheep)...I used to spend hours fantasising about them...I never thought I would end up with a viking for a Master who really does use me for his pleasure....
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| Auctoritas | Posted: 2010-01-14 18:08 | |
| Forum Newbie United States 52 Posts | Edited by - Auctoritas on 2010-01-30 12:36:44 | |
| LoveDDD | Posted: 2010-01-14 18:18 | |
Forum Regular United States 663 Posts | velvetgirl1: I've had rape fantasies since I was a very little girl. They've only gotten more complex and hotter as I've gotten older. I know for certain that for me it has to do with two primary needs. The first is to be overpowered physically by a man. I'm one of those strong, confident, in control women in the vanilla world. I desperately desire a man to physically overtake me and force himself upon me. ... -- "She makes love just like a woman Yes she does But she breaks just like a little girl." - Dylan Edited by - velvetgirl1 on 2010-01-13 18:42:11 Edited by - velvetgirl1 on 2010-01-13 18:43:29 This is partly true for me as well, mostly really (not the humiliation or shame tho)... btw love your quote - I haven't seen the R word on here in years have they let it back in? Ages ago there were some real long in depth threads on this topic, then it was banned... I understand its a taboo word as the fantasy or fetish does use the name of a real violent crime its understandable, but you find it online under headings of noncon, unaware or sleep assault sometimes. Read when i was a teen about the psychological connection to the liberated woman, etc, etc, but not until my last relationship when he bound parts of me in his leather belt before sex did I realize a dream=come=true for the first time since before i was a young virgin, and all i can say is it felt like a flashback to another lifetime in the most hot and erotic way, and he felt it too... Whether its alleviating guilt or recapturing some of the primal animal-conquering thing (as mother nature created us) its, um, nice. thank you, Love | |
| LoveDDD | Posted: 2010-01-14 18:21 | |
Forum Regular United States 663 Posts | Auctoritas: I've seen this a lot here, and to be honest, it's a fantasy I've never indulged. How would one go about it staging it without it being too fake, too dangerous, or worse, too creepy? I like Arabslavegirl's idea, being a historian myself. I like to think of myself riding along on my horse, coming across a Gallic or Britannic peasant girl gathering firewood, and seizing upon her. Without speaking English; bind her hands with leather straps and fuck her right there in the dirt, threatening her with my gladius, perhaps using it to cut her clothes off her. Something like that, or is it too creepy? Any other ideas? I'm interested. -- I'm not kinky, you're just boring. lol sounds pretty kinky to me, and all good, smiles | |
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